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Thread: Can Ashley Wagner keep up with the New US Ladies

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    Can Ashley Wagner keep up with the New US Ladies

    it appears Wagner with her limited 3-3 just wont cut it for a Worlds medal, the new skaters are capable of 3-3 arsenals
    leading the rival of US ladies with Gracie Gold finishing a remarkable 4th place at the Olympics, Polina Edmunds capable of getting good scores. can Wagner hold into as No.3 US lady with new skaters like Karen Chen, Amber Glenn going seniors soon

    will Wagner become the American Leonova ?
    become stagnant and lose to upcoming crop of new skaters

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    Ashley was 4th in the long program at worlds, tops among the US ladies. I believe she has shaken off a few poor showings and is here to stay. Only time will tell.

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    Well, she's getting on in figure skating years, so it all depends on her health. If she can avoid getting injured, she can keep up with all the other so-so skaters who come in between 4th and 8th at Olympics and Worlds. It's not like she really has much competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertskates View Post
    Ashley was 4th in the long program at worlds, tops among the US ladies. I believe she has shaken off a few poor showings and is here to stay. Only time will tell.
    Wagner isn't getting younger, she is in her mid 20's and that will typically worn out most skaters by then
    there are young, fresh skaters already climbing on the US ranks aside from Gracie, you now have Polina E, then soon Karen Chen, Amber Glenn,

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    Ahem Wagner is 22 going on 23 (in May.) That is not mid-20s. If she is mid-20s, that means I'm in my mid-30s.

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    To be honest she still lost to Gracie even with her lackluster mistake filled LP and if Ashley can't get a consistent 3-3 she's not only looking at 6-8 placement at Worlds but the younger US girls will catch up with her. Polina as inexperienced as she is has proven she's a tough cookie and isn't far behind and who know what other girls will crop up in the next year or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertskates View Post
    Ashley was 4th in the long program at worlds, tops among the US ladies. I believe she has shaken off a few poor showings and is here to stay. Only time will tell.
    She may be able to compete with the American girls, but she will never be able to compete with the Russians. They all have such difficult technical content, and Ashley couldn't rotate a difficult combo if her life depended on it. She tried to add the 3F-3T to her arsenal this season, but by season's end, the effort had failed miserably. She changed her strategy, going for the 2A-3T in her free skate, but was still called for an underrotation.

    She should continue if she loves skating, but she is deluding herself if she believes she has a chance to win a world medal. Her technical ability isn't good enough.

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    I personally don't think she should've gotten a < on her 2A-3T. But that's my opinion.

    Like any other athlete, Ashley will have to figure out how to capitalize on her strengths to make up for any deficits she may have in her skating. One thing I like about Ashley is that she's willing to take responsibility for her skating, so one thing is for sure she will make a good effort to stay competitive. I don't think she should give up on the 3F-3T. Jason Brown took three seasons with the 3A and it's still a work in progress, I don't see why Ashley shouldn't keep trying to work on the 3F-3T.

    And also the other lesson is nothing is a sure thing. Ashley can't control what her competitors do, she just needs to do what works for her.
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    She will still be competitive even without 3-3. Had she opted for the 3F-2T in SP instead of going for 3-3, or if Gold wasn't overscored on her PCS, she would have come 5th over Gold.

    And she beat a clean Polina, even with errors.

    Wagner will likely continue to be a favourite for GP wins and making the GPF. Polina is capable of medaling on the GP and winning Nationals. Karen Chen is a non factor and question mark at this point (see, Junior Worlds).

    Gold will continue to push Wagner, but Gold isn't assured to beat Wagner, given her lack of consistency and bombing her FS at Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post

    She should continue if she loves skating, but she is deluding herself if she believes she has a chance to win a world medal. Her technical ability isn't good enough.
    and I don't think she'll be on the top 3 in US in the coming years
    with her two footed jumps and declining technical content

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    As for Leonova, at Nationals she beat Pogorilaya, who just thoroughly out skated Gold and Wagner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Gold will continue to push Wagner, but Gold isn't assured to beat Wagner, given her lack of consistency and bombing her FS at Worlds.
    Gold may have not done so well in her FS but still placed ahead of Wagner overall
    one thing for sure, Wagner isnt returning to US No.1 lady

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    She is still the U.S #2 for now, but who knows for how long. The USFSA probably realizes by now she is never going to be a world medalist. She gives them reason to dump her, and judging by her last 2 Nationals she probably will, and she will likely see herself slipping further, and fighting to even make the U.S team in the future. She will never be U.S #1 over Gold ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post

    Wagner will likely continue to be a favourite for GP wins and making the GPF. Polina is capable of medaling on the GP and winning Nationals. Karen Chen is a non factor and question mark at this point (see, Junior Worlds).
    Polina Edmunds, Gracie Gold are capable of winning GP Golds next season
    with many veterans retirning, so Wagner isn't assured of any GP let alone the GPF

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    and I don't think she'll be on the top 3 in US in the coming years
    with her two footed jumps and declining technical content
    Uh, let's compare...
    Ashley Wagner's BV was 56.73 and 63.64 with GOE.
    Gracie Gold's BV was 52.52 and 58.58 with GOE.

    Ashley went for 7 triples... How exactly is that declining technical content?

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