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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    I don't think you want to go there - as to the raison d'etre of why or how these racial minorities ended up there in the first place under one flag or how they live or are treated right now and why there is still bloodsheds going on today. If we go there, it would be too hot even for Le Café, so let's just leave it at that. And yes, I am aware. Angelika Krylova in fact has Mongolian heritage. BoP launched the race bait, let's just skip it completely.
    ike the native north americans ? I know that and what happened now under one flag

    because you mentioned bringing up race and me being of mixed heritage
    I find that offensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    ike the native north americans ? I know that and what happened now under one flag

    because you mentioned bringing up race and me being of mixed heritage
    I find that offensive
    I am not aware native Americans putting bombs in Washington DC or blowing up buses today, are you?

    Maybe you should just go back at beating up Osmond or any other injured skaters since you obviously derive a lot of fun from doing that.

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    disappointing eh ? so where are the ladies Canadian medals ? oh yeah Canada has no ladies
    and the mighty Osmond that will crush all the Russian ladies is no more
    she is busy landing on her butt !!!

    Osmond is a Non Factor for Sochi
    boo hoo
    bo ho hu hu hu

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    I am not aware native Americans putting bombs in Washington DC or blowing up buses today, are you?
    I suggest reading ones own history and its native people
    education is very key to the world indeed

    makes me more proud I have lived all over the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post

    Maybe you should just go back at beating up Osmond or any other injured skaters since you obviously derive a lot of fun from doing that.
    or maybe stop at accusing skaters of being underage and falsfying age without any proof
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    Agreed, Julia looks like a 10-11 year old girl, so much so that I am starting to wonder whether this is yet another case of falsified age for Olympic Games as they do in gymnastics. I guess we'll never know. Those authoritarian governments will stop at nothing for an Olympic medal.
    lets also accept the FACT that Canada has no ladies to content with, Osmond is a Non Factor
    end the story here

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    I wish you guys would have mercy on the poor overworked moderators who have to go through this thread and delete all the off-topic stuff.

    Anyway, Elizaveta T. is a delight and I hope she regains her competitive edge soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    or maybe stop at accusing skaters of being underage and falsfying age without any proof
    lets also accept the FACT that Canada has no ladies to content with, Osmond is a Non Factor

    end the story here
    I hate to break it to you because you have been wishing ills to a lot of skaters you don't like for a long time, wishing them becoming ill or injured or had mishaps in competitions, let's just say this is quite appalling. I never brought up Osmond in this thread but since you insisted, well, gotta make you nervous :

    http://results.skatecanada.ca/2013-2...gesDetails.pdf

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...ada-challenge/

    Parallel to the GPF, let's just say her Free Skate on the same weekend was a lot cleaner than some of the ladies at GPF, despite her injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I wish you guys would have mercy on the poor overworked moderators who have to go through this thread and delete all the off-topic stuff.

    Anyway, Elizaveta T. is a delight and I hope she regains her competitive edge soon.
    Or she could accept the marriage proposal from an Irish member of this forum and skate for Ireland - no need to worry about her spot anymore, problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    I hate to break it to you because you have been wishing ills to a lot of skaters you don't like for a long time, wishing them becoming ill or injured or had mishaps in competitions, let's just say this is quite appalling. I never brought up Osmond in this thread but since you insisted, well, gotta make you nervous :

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...ada-challenge/

    Parallel to the GPF, let's just say her Free Skate on the same weekend was a lot cleaner than some of the ladies at GPF, despite her injuries.
    where did I ever mentioned I wanted an injury for a skater ?
    on the contrary even to my disliked skaters I never wish for any injury to anyone

    also a National inflated event is not counted
    nervous for what ?

    why not accept it, just as US has no chance in Pairs medal, Russian men, Japanese Couples, Chinese Ladies
    is it that hard to accept no Canadian Ladies will medal ?

    also this thread was about Tuk
    not sure why age falsification was brought up
    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Agreed, Julia looks like a 10-11 year old girl, so much so that I am starting to wonder whether this is yet another case of falsified age for Olympic Games as they do in gymnastics. I guess we'll never know. Those authoritarian governments will stop at nothing for an Olympic medal.

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    Liza was much tinier than Julia from ages 10-15 but now she has grown up too. Everybody does. I ve been watching Julia since she was 10 years old, and was skating to Kung Fu Panda (so yes she couldnt have been 5 then) and now she is a pretty normal 15 year old girl. She will probably go through some more changes but nobody knows, there were skaters who passed through puberty with less problems.
    And it is wiser to stay on topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I wish you guys would have mercy on the poor overworked moderators who have to go through this thread and delete all the off-topic stuff.

    Anyway, Elizaveta T. is a delight and I hope she regains her competitive edge soon.
    Agreed and bring back the triple axel too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    Liza was much tinier than Julia from ages 10-15 but now she has grown up too. Everybody does. I ve been watching Julia since she was 10 years old, and was skating to Kung Fu Panda (so yes she couldnt have been 5 then) and now she is a pretty normal 15 year old girl. She will probably go through some more changes but nobody knows, there were skaters who passed through puberty with less problems.
    And it is wiser to stay on topic.
    also Tuk has stayed petite in her height but she filled out a lot, too bad from her mother's genetics
    and to say Julia looks like a 10-12 year old is baffling, look at her in GPF Banquet she is almost as tall a Mao now

    http://cs616817.vk.me/v616817512/5882/Srp7WHtBoU4.jpg
    http://cs616817.vk.me/v616817512/5859/aXX4gm64zr0.jpg

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    I've never been to a pediatrician's office in Russia but I'm willing to bet that you'll see more than a few 15-year olds that look like Julia. People have different genetics, different diets, different lifestyle habits, different onset of puberty, etc. etc. You can't tell someone's age by what they look like unless you have a built-in bone age scanner and even then, bone age isn't universally accurate. If you don't think official documents are trustworthy because they can be falsified, then you've basically closed the debate. You're not just suspicious, you're suspicious /and/ you won't be satisfied by any attempts to "prove" Julia's innocence.

    I feel like if Julia does end up winning a medal, some people will inevitably raise a ruckus about her age, because it's a sure way to taint her accomplishment. If she's guilty, she's guilty, if she's innocent, she's still guilty! Because she's from Russia and therefore all official documents are bogus I'm not sure why a country's track record is relevant. Does this mean track and field fans don't take American wins seriously anymore, since they have such a fabulous history with doping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    also Tuk has stayed petite in her height but she filled out a lot, too bad from her mother's genetics
    and to say Julia looks like a 10-12 year old is baffling, look at her in GPF Banquet she is almost as tall a Mao now

    http://cs616817.vk.me/v616817512/5882/Srp7WHtBoU4.jpg
    http://cs616817.vk.me/v616817512/5859/aXX4gm64zr0.jpg
    Yeah, if Julia is 10 then Proklova must be about 6....but wait. People are silly. To me Julia and Anna look about the same age - the age they are, 15. Julia also looks young because unlike a lot of the other girls, she doesn't dye her hair, pile on the makeup, or wear precocious "sexy" costumes. If Julia were to switch costumes, hair, and makeup with Anna (who is almost the exact same age - they are 2 months apart), I don't think people would say she looks 10, and similarly, Anna might not seem so "sophisticated"/"mature" in Julia's costumes, makeup, and no dye in her hair. Julia is tasteful and very natural in her appearance, and I think more than anything this is why she seems young to some.

    Also, growing up doesn't always spell doom for a skater. For example, Gracie, Anna, and Polina Edmunds were decent skaters as little kids but accomplished their best achievements to date DURING prime growing years. And some skaters reach their peak in their 20s even - Rochette, Wagner, Czisny, Marchei, Korpi, Lepisto, etc. Julia won't keep her 15 year old body for forever, but the changes she experiences in the future could be quite slight or rather significant, as could the effects (negative or positive) they have on her skating. We'll just have to wait and see. But the rumors of her being underage and Russia trying to sneak her into the Olympics illegally is silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panini View Post
    I'v Does this mean track and field fans don't take American wins seriously anymore, since they have such a fabulous history with doping?
    A little bit off topic, but I am quite convinced that all elite track and field athletes are on performance enhancing drugs, if they can afford it. Just like we found out a few years ago that all cyclists are. It only makes sense. If you take performance enhancing drugs, your performance will be enhanced and you will win. If you don't, your performance is not enhanced and you lose.

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    I truly doubt Julia is lying about her age. Russia would have had to plan this a long time ago and it is only recently that she has become a standout skater. The country already had plenty of promising up-and-comers and it was only in the last few months that Julia has surpassed them all. There are tiny 15 years olds; she is no bigger than Tara or Sasha at that age. However, I do think if she grows wider she will have to alter her jump technique substantially to be able to rotate her triples.

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