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    Is Romeo and Juliet working for Ashley?

    I remember how excited she was about this program during her interview for the Skating Lesson, but I don't think the program is doing what Ashley wanted to do. JMO. I think this season she wanted to prove that she can compete with the big three on PCS by choosing a different type of program. But I don't think the program is doing its job.

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    I do. She is never going to get the same PCS as Yuna, Mao, or Caro if they skate clean. She isn't as good as they are on the criteria judged. However, she is getting among the highest PCS of that next group after the top 3. She is in a great position to win a bronze medal and no other program is going to allow her to take down Mao or Yuna.

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    She's doing her best, I feel. She's been doing the triple triples, and really selling her performances (especially the sp). She's been emoting a lot more "naturally" than for Samson and Delilah, and while I've never been a fan, I find myself smiling a couple times throughout the program.

    While I didn't LOVE her long the first time, I must admit, it didn't bother me too much, watching it at the GPF. Sure, it didn't have me giving her a standing ovation, but it is a solid program.

    And quite frankly, it's not like she has a shot at gold.

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    No, she is badly miscast as Juliet. True she could (and possibly does) skate the music and not the character, but when one knows what the music is, there is the expectation the character is being portrayed. If she is trying to skate Juliet, it certainly is a one dimensional Juliet she is betraying and imo she is not even doing a good job at that. She needs to call in a program doctor quickly, maybe bring in an acting coach for a consultation. The tragedy and drama are basically no shows. Someone said they feared she was still the "almost girl" and it appears she quite likely is. Does anyone know if she plans on continuing after the Olympics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    No, she is badly miscast as Juliet. True she could (and possibly does) skate the music and not the character, but when one knows what the music is, there is the expectation the character is being portrayed. If she is trying to skate Juliet, it certainly is a one dimensional Juliet she is betraying and imo she is not even doing a good job at that. She needs to call in a program doctor quickly, maybe bring in an acting coach for a consultation. The tragedy and drama are basically no shows. Someone said they feared she was still the "almost girl" and it appears she quite likely is. Does anyone know if she plans on continuing after the Olympics?
    Aha. You're right. Honestly, I don't think of this as Romeo and Juliet. Especially since the music isn't that recognizable. To me, she doesn't really personify Juliet in any shape or form (sorry but that ending pose was...). I just think of Ashley as skating to a lesser known classical excerpt.

    But I still feel that she is getting into the music, if you will, USING her arms to express it, instead of some of the more obviously choreographed and awkward transitions in Samson and Delilah.

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    average program, but her bigger problem is running out of steam as usual by GPF, she's getting worn out as Olympics approaches
    Gracie should easily knock her by Nationals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    No, she is badly miscast as Juliet. True she could (and possibly does) skate the music and not the character, but when one knows what the music is, there is the expectation the character is being portrayed.
    Expectation by who? I certainly don't expect that a skater has to be portraying a particular character whenever they skate to music from a well-known movie/ballet/opera/musical/whatever. I expect that they'll express the mood and character of the music and story, sure, but it doesn't necessarily occur to me that Ashley Wagner is supposed to be Juliet and Yuzuru Hanyu is trying to be Romeo. (Or that Akiko Suzuki is supposed to be Christine Daae, or that anyone skating to Les Mis is supposed to be Fantine or Jean Valjean...I could go on.)

    I like the program more than I did when I first saw it. It's still not my favourite program of hers, but I do think it's good enough for an Olympic medal if she skates it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minze2001 View Post
    I remember how excited she was about this program during her interview for the Skating Lesson, but I don't think the program is doing what Ashley wanted to do. JMO. I think this season she wanted to prove that she can compete with the big three on PCS by choosing a different type of program. But I don't think the program is doing its job.
    I think the program has grown from one event to the next, i really like the cut of the music - there is so much light and shade, transitions are great, Ashley is putting out the triple combo (also she needs to add the axel and triple toe combo) but to be honest her spins need attention - she needs to get more variety and up the level - maybe her dress needs changing again (sometimes that makes the difference) - hopefully for Nationals and Olympics - she will make the team - i think you are looking at the National Champion again, Ashley has been consistent (in general)) this season!! and is very close for that podium spot at Sochi!! She certainly is a contender for that Olympic Bronze and in all fairness the only one from North America that has that chance.

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    the Black Swan looks best for her, imo. This program is average. Julia's is better..She should go back to the BS w/o doubt!

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    I was not being shady. I meant it. She should do something that set her apart.

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    No nothing works on her

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