Any chance of someone posting on youtube?
Any chance of someone posting on youtube?
Of course the Marlie/Voir rivalry is very much alive. It's been the same story for the last five years. Marlie races out to an early lead; Voir catches up; and then the team who best hits their levels and makes the fewest mistakes wins Olympic and/or World Gold. I'm still perplexed why this seems to be a "new" story every year.
NBC's coverage of figure skating is, on the whole, atrociously jingoistic. Always has been. Why is this shocking too? I praise the heavens for the internet, because now I don't have to listen to the rah rah USA crap parade on NBC--even if this means sitting through commercials for every known medical malady on Latvian television. Actually, the Latvian commercials were hilarious and definitely far more entertaining than listening to some NBC talking head speaking out of, well let's just say, a completely different orifice!
It's the matter of drawing the line between confidence and arrogance. "I can swear that I don't see myself a rival at all" and "Patrick is an existence above the clouds (unreachable)" but "if I perform [to the best of my ability], I can win."A day following the conclusion of the competition, Hanyu took a fresh look back.
"It's a huge accomplishment to have been able to deliver my performance without getting carried away by Patrick's great presence. In the free, I believe that I'm capable of breaking 100 points in TES if I land the quad salchow. Instead of being overly conscious of Takahashi, Machida and Patrick, I should focus on my own performance and of course, it'd be great if it shows in the result. That's not to deny that I want to win, that I'm full of regrets, that I want to become stronger and that I want to see a gold medal after a long while. It's just that I've come to think that if I perform [to the best of my ability], I definitely can win, so I want to focus on myself. [It's about finding] balance. I think the way I maintain my focus may have changed a bit."
He's not exactly self-effacing, he's a confident and proud young man but he knows when to be modest, regardless of whether it's intentional or not.
That said, I don't think that Chan's remark is so distasteful that it warrants a few pages of overblown reactions.
You know, there are just some people who think they're clever and witty and funny and simply cannot tell a joke or carry off an ironic comment. Mr Chan strikes me as one of these types.
Then again, trash talking is a great sports tradition--especially in North America. My goodness, what Mr Chan said is nothing compared to what you might hear at any average American Little League game any given summer. And that's only what you hear from the spectator/parents!
I'm a fan of his and grew up with numerous sports in my family, so interviews with figure skaters, even Chan Lol, are the most tame things I have heard haha! Although I wonder if they trash talk each other during warm up or before they hit the ice? Haha! Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are intimidation tactics going on, but they are hardly like a lot of sports out there.
Sure, athletes in other sports have said and acted worse - doesn't mean we have to like it or just accept what Chan says without comment. We all have opinions and have a right to express it if an athlete seems to have Foot in Mouth disease.
I understand how some people can accept Patrick's statement and even applaud him for the arrogance, but I think to a lot of casual FS viewers, it comes across as being very conceited and a sore loser. As zydeco88 mentioned, there is a very fine line between coming across as confident or obnoxious. Watching the GPF with a few friends and family members who don't follow skating closely, he just came off as kind of a jerk to them.
Sure Patrick can live up to his words. But just because you can say something doesn't always mean you should...and this certainly isn't a rare occurrence with him.
Courtesy of Mathman from a related thread :
Waiting for the Santos and Santas of this thread to unequivocally condemn Johnny Weir.Johnny Weir and Evan Lysacek finished in an exact numerical tie (244.77) at 2007 U.S. Nationals, and Lysacek won on the tie-breaker. IIRC Weir's comment was, "Well, I have three (U.S. titles), so I'll let him have two."
Another wise point made by the legendary Mathman, and I quote :
Figure Skating is already very much a politically correct sport. With few exceptions, most of the so called "controversial" statements from a number of skaters are really much ado about nothing and nothing. I am reminded also of the "onry one sandwrich" incident from Graice Gold - again, much ado about nothing and nothing. Seriously, people who find these statements objectionable really need a life and get away from their computer screen for a while. There are so many real injustices and real discriminations in this world that seriously demand our attention, even in sports, that these non-senses just seem like a joke in comparison.
Math is right. The epic boast is a traditional genre. I always figure the best follow at it was Mike Fink, king of the riverboatmen on the Mississippi.
Patrick's saying are very mild compared to Mike'sI'm a Salt River roarer! I'm a ring-tailed squealer! I'm a regular squealer from the old Massassip! WHOOP! I'm the very infant that refused his milk before its eyes were open and called out for a bottle of old Rye! I love the women & I'm chockful of fight! I'm half wild horse and half cock-eyed alligator and the rest of me is crooked snags and red hot snappin' turkle. I can hit like fourth proof lightnin' and every lick I make in the woods lets in an acre o' sunshine. I can out-run, out-jump, out-fight, rough 'n' tumle, no holds barred, any man both sides of the river from Pittsburgh to New Orleans an back agin to St. Louiee. C'mon you flatters, you bargers, you milk white mechanics an' see how tough I am to chew! I ain't had a fight for two days, and I'm spileing' for exercise. Cock a doodle do!
And my husband even said "I'm sure Patrick Chan is a nice guy, but he really comes off as a douche with that statement." That's all he said. He didn't make a big deal about it. In fact that's all he said about it. That conversation lasted all but 10 minutes on our way home from dinner.
And Johnny Weir's statements are just as questionable. Had I been around for that comment in 2008, I probably would have reacted the same way. For the record, I didn't care for the fact that he was picking on Patrick during his commentary of 2010 Worlds on Universal Sports.
In the end, I agree Patrick's statement wasn't all that maddening, but again as 100yen pointed out, it's worth noting that casual fans (or even non skating fans) are taking pause.
People forget this is MALE skating not FEMALE skating. The masculinity of sport or figure skating. The Elvis Stojos, the Plushenkos, the Yagudins etc. They survived because they believe in themselves. In the male dominated kingdom of sport, I don't think any athlete who insist on being politically correct will ever survive. Let us not forget they are elite athletes and not politicians. We tend to forget that. We like our athletes pre-packaged in all glittery, shining and perfect armour. Alas in many instances, perfect armours fall apart to reveal an ordinary human soul much like all of us - warts and all.
How about Mohammed Ali? His classic, "I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee". His fame reaches every nook and corner of the earth. Who doesn't know Mohammed Ali? Ask the men. Those who find Patrick's jest comment arrogant, they will find Mohammed Ali an a##$%hole.Originally Posted by dorispulaski
NBC broadcasting of Yuzuru's FS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2riHk3zykA
Tara said Yuzuru's performance this season is getting better and better, and that's what I think too. There's a calmness in this FS that grabbed me.