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Thread: Can patrick chan close the gap on yuzuru hanyu?

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    Patrick Chan can "close" this "gap" if he brings back 2 triple Axels and does that 2nd quad he was mentioning a few years ago. Then he will go back to having that 4 fall advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    For the FS that Hanyu skated at the GPF, there's absolutely no way he would get 92.5 points of PCS and 190+ for that outside of Japan. It's 11 points higher PCS than TEB and essentially Hanyu turned a popped quad into a clean one. Hanyu is certainly showing more consistency, but Chan has beaten him by 25 and 31 points on the GP prior to the upset in Fukuoka. To suggest Chan is playing catch-up is ludicrous considering Yuzuru has essentially caught up to Chan, and certainly not created some insurmountable gap.
    That's why I said it was still Chan's world. I am not disputing that fact.. One good/decent competition from Hanyu doesn't suddenly turn the tide.... I wouldn't compare the PCS to TEB, but to the FS from the GPF last year where he got 85+ in PCS for a similar jumping performance except that he doubled the 4S last year and he fully rotated and fell this year. The performance aspect of his program this year was better than last and I think he probably would have gotten 88+ in PCS outside of Japan.

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    Apparently Hanyu is now the #1 Japanese man. This simple fact does add something on his PCS. You don't need to refer his "past" numbers. So-called skating skills are not objectively measurable as numbers of rotation in the air. I think "skating" alone is not enough to win at the most prestigious "sports" event. The OGM will go with the highest TES.

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    And that will be Hanyu or Javier probably - highest tes. Chan can't land the 3A consistently and only has one of them. He better hope Canada wins team gold because he will be lucky to podium probably. hail Hanyu champion. though admittedly Chan, Dai, Javier, Ten all have chances still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    And that will be Hanyu or Javier probably - highest tes. Chan can't land the 3A consistently and only has one of them. He better hope Canada wins team gold because he will be lucky to podium probably. hail Hanyu champion. though admittedly Chan, Dai, Javier, Ten all have chances still.
    Chan has landed his 3A with much more consistency this season... Certainly more than Hanyu has landed his 4S.

    The highest TES won't necessarily win. Hanyu's TES at the GPF was higher than Chan's TES at TEB but Chan being the better artistic skater still has the highest FS score (even with blatant home ice inflation for Hanyu).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    Apparently Hanyu is now the #1 Japanese man. This simple fact does add something on his PCS. You don't need to refer his "past" numbers. So-called skating skills are not objectively measurable as numbers of rotation in the air. I think "skating" alone is not enough to win at the most prestigious "sports" event. The OGM will go with the highest TES.
    I think Hanyu has great skating, especially his flow and speed. He seemed to be able to gain speed with minimal crossovers and that, combined with difficult jump entries, often made his jumps seem to come out of nowhere. That's not a quality I saw in any other skater's program (from GPF at least). It was very impressive.

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    It's easier for Chan to close the gap than for Hanyu because dumbing down is much easier and attainable than catching up.

    Joking aside, I believe it's going to depend on their mental state on the days though Chan still has an edge if they both do their best.

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    Awaiting the spontaneous thread asking if V/T can close the gap on S/S, based on the Germans' GPF win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Chan being the better artistic skater
    You must not tell lies. That smoke screen doesn't exist anymore. The dark billowing smog of the Chan machine has been cleared away by the Hanyu clean air act. Chan will get credit for superior skating skills and nothing more. Just as it should be, just as it always should have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    You must not tell lies. That smoke screen doesn't exist anymore. The dark billowing smog of the Chan machine has been cleared away by the Hanyu clean air act. Chan will get credit for superior skating skills and nothing more. Just as it should be, just as it always should have been.
    Just like at the GPF where even with his home cooked PCS scores Hanyu still lost to Chan on every PCS category?

    Speaking of smoke screens, from TEB to the GPF, somehow Hanyu's SS shot up from 8.39 to 9.11, TR from 7.82 to 9.00, PE from 8.11 to 9.29, CH from 8.29 to 9.43, and IN from 8.36 to 9.36. Nothing like home ice to add a full point to your PCS categories.

    His PE and IN were stronger than TEB, but that doesn't explain how Hanyu had essentially the same choreo/transitions between the 2 events, and yet his CH and TR scores went up by over a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Awaiting the spontaneous thread asking if V/T can close the gap on S/S, based on the Germans' GPF win.
    thought the same thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Speaking of smoke screens, from TEB to the GPF, somehow Hanyu's SS shot up from 8.39 to 9.11, TR from 7.82 to 9.00, PE from 8.11 to 9.29, CH from 8.29 to 9.43, and IN from 8.36 to 9.36. Nothing like home ice to add a full point to your PCS categories.
    Get used to it, the Russians want Hanyu to beat Chan as well. Hanyu beating Chan secures the Team Gold for Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Get used to it, the Russians want Hanyu to beat Chan as well. Hanyu beating Chan secures the Team Gold for Russia.
    So Russia/Japan propping up Hanyu's marks is something you are okay with and isn't killing the sport, but Chan getting high marks is killing the sport? Hah, okay there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    You must not tell lies. That smoke screen doesn't exist anymore. The dark billowing smog of the Chan machine has been cleared away by the Hanyu clean air act. Chan will get credit for superior skating skills and nothing more. Just as it should be, just as it always should have been.
    Pc wise Chan imho should be ahead - Chan's skating skills are phenomenal and he deserves to b ahead of Hanyu bymiles but I fear that won't happen. That being said tes wise Hany is far superior and that often colors everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    So Russia/Japan propping up Hanyu's marks is something you are okay with and isn't killing the sport, but Chan getting high marks is killing the sport? Hah, okay there.
    Hanyu isn't being propped up, he's receiving accurate scores in comparison to how overscored Chan is. He deserved to beat Chan on PCS at the GPF Short Program and he deserved to be on equal footing with Chan in the Long Program. Results like this are exactly what should have happened so many times in the past and now it is finally reality, a reality that puts the sport in the direction it should be.

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