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Those who have seen YuNa and Patrick live-question
This is sincere-so please no nasties from love is blind ubers. I like both these skaters, and when Pat is clean, and doesn't fall, hes a joy to watch, His edges are beautiful, the seamless turns, changes of direction etc. One can concentrate on the lovely programs when he is upright and he gets better thru the season. However, he should not have won the WC last year. Huge PCS is expected at Sochi. Also YuNa who generally does not splat. She is fast, great ice coverage, has the big 3/3 at beginning. Very consistent jumper. Still, As beautiful and sexy as she is, I do not get the huge 20 point spreads-I was amazed at Vancouver, having not been able to see much skating in that quad. I felt Mao was awesome, despite being hampered by the package Tarasova settled her with. I was not part of the scene, so no favorites going in to Vancouver. I actually liked Joannie's elegance. I can see by protocols how YuNa won, and I would have been satisfied with either her or Mao. It should have been closer I thought, admittedly not good at CoP. To see her resoundingly beat someone who threw 3 triple axels. I guess they were accepted. Not given enough credit I thought.
Everyone who sees Yuna in person in comp. says she really is that good. I guess the speed is amazing, and we hear that about Pat too. This does not translate well online or on TV. I wondered if people have seen years of them on TV and then saw the live comp. where they skated very well, and said "ok, now I get it-it is obvious."
I think Pat is a judges fave as is YuNa each for different reasons. I just do not get the huge PCS. YuNa fell in both programs in Zagreb, was slowish by her standards, and the programs were not special. She is mad beautiful, and a champion, but it must be hard for other skaters to skate when both these skaters score massive PCS even when they fall.
Is there this amazing quality each has that does not translate to TV? I don't want to see crazy scoring in Sochi, and I hope those who skate well who are younger, and newbies get fairly scored, but this never seems to happen-well rarely. In GP events the scoring seems more fair and Osmond and Liza were breakthrough stars. But WC and Oly seems to hold up the past champions. After seeing what YuNa did and what she scored in a senior B, it seems she will be canonized, never mind the 2010 coronation. Tired of FS scoring, I guess. And not a fan of IJS in its current form. I wonder if I'd "get it" if I saw these two in particular live. To be fair, Mao is always overscored in Japan, sadly for Akiko.
Can't say much about Patrick 'coz I've never seen him in competitions(just watched in LA ice show).
Regarding Yuna, I saw her live in 2008 and 2009 at Skate America, and again at the LA ice show in 2010.
One thing I can say for sure about her is that those so called her 'weaknesses' such as poor line(which I've never agreed) or poor position in layback spin or spirals is not that noticeable at all. In fact, her spirals were really impressive with that crazy speed and coverage. She really deserved all the GOEs she got for those elements. I believe I also saw Mirai at one of the competitions, and yes her spirals were pretty, but quite slow with tiny ice coverage which left me unimpressed. And Rachael's catch foot spins were truly ugly... in both directions.
And whoever thinks that she doesn't project very well can't be any more wrong.
And that was already last olympic cycle! I can't imagine what it would be watching her nowadays, when she has more finesse, maturity, better lines etc.
Beliver in Sasha's Perfect Program
I watched Yu-na win her first world championship in 2009. Although I was impressed with moments of her Scherezade program and her speed, I honestly wasn't blown away. As on TV, her lack of toe point and her inability at that time to really feel the music in her body, as opposed to enacting choreography, held her back from being "a great."
More recently she has opened up and matured her musicality--in send in the clowns I felt she was really feeling the music herself, and that was lovely to see. Her Olympic performances, as skillful and technically brilliant as they were remained very much performances of good programs, but not of the caliber of feeling and expression and dance quality we see from Sasha Cohen or Dai Takahashi or Stephane Lambiel.
Six Point Zero
If your hope is to see younger newbies get scored in Sochi comparable to what Yuna, Mao, etc. are going to score, have no worry. The Olympics are in Russia and Julia Lipnitskaia and one other young compatriot will contend for a medal. If they are reasonably clean, they will score big, and big enough to potentially quash some of the more serious contenders.
As for scores exploding in Sochi--that's an obvious fact. The trend is upwards and I see judges being encouraged to be very generous during the Olympics. Records will likely go down for many--though Yuna's current record is relatively so high it's not as likely to go down as the other disciplines' all-time highs.
And what's this you say about younger skaters getting held back in the Olympics? What were the ages of Baiul, Lipinski and Hughes again?
We will at least see PCS records getting smashed. The only reason Yuna didn't beat her own LP record at Worlds was because the choreographic sequence was worth less than a Level 4 spiral. In Sochi, she may well beat her own record with natural PCS increase.
Originally Posted by Krislite