YOU ARE CLEARLY IN LOVE WITH YUNA. You have no objectivity about her. None. So have fun in legendland. Just don't expect your opinions to be taken as fact, that is all. Done. Others responded with their experience of seeing Pat live. It is the same thing. His PCS makes him win, falls or no falls, his skating is considered superior-exept not at the GPF. So there is hope for fair scoring. Hanyu won, and should have. There is no limit to what you feel YuNa deserves, so no point discussing it with an uber uber.
My joke was directed at those kind of people, because that is a perception that may have been valid in 2004-2008, but from 2009 did not apply anymore. If someone still prefers Mao, that's their preference, but to think she's better than Yuna, and that Yuna is still just that steady reliable skater from years ago, is an outdated notion that reminded me of 50 year olds who still wear clothes that were stylish when they were 20.
So yes, after the results of the last 5 years, if you think that Mao is better than Yuna, and they are unfairly scored, and there is a conspiracy to prop up Yuna and keep Mao down, I would call that very irrational.
Minze, let me just finish by saying this, I don't care to go on and on about this. I made a comment about some Mao fans only. I did not make a comment about all Mao fans. If Mao or some other skater is your favorite, that's good for you, it's a personal preference. My replies were only meant to ridicule the people who think Yuna doesn't deserve her scores.
I even mentioned in my first post that I think Mao is a good skater, and I disagreed with skateluvr, that I liked her Bells of Moscow olympic program. Fair enough?
Why this forum became a mao and kim war again...
Why do people keep bringing how much Yuna is overscored? It's kind of stupid to ask these questions because whether or not she's overscored, she was clearly the winner in the competitions she won gold. I wonder if people on this forum would still question her programs if we still had 6.0 system. Questioning her scores only makes you believe you are whiner, and can't stop complain how your favorite skater didn't win over Kim
I have seen Patrick live! He was very impressive compared to the other skaters, but it wasn't so much the quality of his skating as the speed that struck me.
I obviously don't mean to suggest that his skating skills are poor. When I'm watching a live event and sitting up high, macro-details like speed and projection take precedence over "finer-points" like extension, quality of glide, nuance, etc. This is purely due to the physical distance between myself and the skater, since the latter group of details matter very much to me when I watch on T.V.
This rough guideline usually tells me if I will enjoy a particular skater's performances more live or on T.V. I was never really a fan of the Zhangs, but they skated in the same show and were very fast. I enjoyed their program at the time, but when I re-watched it online I found it empty and unsatisfying. Similarly, the weaker parts of Shen and Zhao's skating (smoothness of glide, his throw technique) were not as noticeable live.
Although I've never seen Carolina Kostner live, I definitely think I would feel the same way as doris, based on what I said above.
...I will avoid saying commenting on Yuna's skating given the debate that's going on.
It is true that if a skater is generating an interesting pattern on the ice, you can enjoy it more live, because it is hardly discernible on TV. Blinding speed is more obvious live.
If you're close to the ice, skaters with really noisy blades are more annoying than they are on TV.
And skaters that are really working to the beat of their music are easier to appreciate live, because so often TV & even worse internet streaming, do not often have the audio & video signals well - sync-ed. Jason Brown was completely awesome live in this way at 2011 Nationals. The 2011 Shibutanis were spot on the beat, too, live.
And if a skater is justing skating through his music, that is also more obvious live. In 2011 at Liberty, Patrick was just skating through his music-but one must remember that not all live programs are equal. In a summer competition, obviously you are not seeing the finished product. Some skaters get into their music early in the season; others become more accustomed to their programs, and skater more to the music as the season goes on.