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Chinese Nationals 2013-2014 Dec 28-29

sky_fly20

Match Penalty
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Ladies FS http://chnfs.org/wp-content/uploads/events/2013nc5/SEG297.HTM

Overall

1 Zhang Kexin HZX 104.29 58.09 B 47.20 6.00 5.58 5.92 6.17 5.83 1.00 # 21
2 Zhao Zaiquan HDX 99.67 55.61 B 45.06 5.83 5.42 5.50 5.83 5.58 1.00 # 18
3 Guo Xiaowen JZX 83.43 43.83 41.60 5.33 5.00 5.17 5.25 5.25 2.00 # 14
4 Li Xiangning QZX 83.14 41.27 43.87 5.75 5.25 5.42 5.58 5.42 2.00 # 20
5 Jiaoyun Ya QZX 80.72 39.58 42.14 5.50 5.00 5.17 5.42 5.25 1.00 # 19
6 Li Xiao Xue HFX 79.56 41.69 37.87 4.92 4.42 4.75 5.00 4.58 0.00 # 15
7 Li Jiayin HZX 74.12 38.99 36.13 4.75 4.25 4.58 4.50 4.50 1.00 # 11
8 Zhaoming Lu QZX 72.17 37.17 36.00 4.75 4.25 4.50 4.50 4.50 1.00 # 12
9 Lu Zheng HZX 71.35 34.89 37.46 4.92 4.50 4.58 4.83 4.58 1.00 # 16
10 Wang Jialei HZX 70.33 33.47 37.86 5.00 4.58 4.58 4.92 4.58 1.00 # 17
11 Kun Qian QZX 69.36 36.62 33.74 4.33 4.00 4.17 4.42 4.17 1.00 # 10
12 High Yunfeng JZX 68.74 36.20 32.54 4.25 3.92 4.00 4.17 4.00 0.00 # 4
13 Zhao Ying QZX 67.27 34.21 35.06 4.58 4.25 4.33 4.50 4.25 2.00 # 13
14 Du child HFX 63.97 32.17 32.80 4.25 4.00 4.08 4.17 4.00 1.00 # 8
15 Sun Tong Qi JTX 63.14 33.81 29.33 3.92 3.42 3.58 3.83 3.58 0.00 # 2
16 Yuting Hui XTY 61.48 30.35 32.13 4.08 3.92 4.00 4.08 4.00 1.00 # 6
17 Meritor SHS 60.02 30.22 30.80 4.00 3.58 3.92 3.83 3.92 1.00 # 5
18 Xiao Yan Fang STY 58.21 26.28 32.93 4.33 3.92 4.00 4.25 4.08 1.00 # 9
19 Li Yutong JTX 58.01 29.74 28.27 3.75 3.33 3.42 3.67 3.50 0.00 # 3
20 Lee Mei Yee QZX 56.26 29.19 29.07 3.92 3.50 3.42 3.75 3.58 2.00 # 7
21 Liu Yuqing SJX 53.98 27.65 27.33 3.67 3.17 3.33 3.58 3.33 1.00 # 1

Pairs FS: http://chnfs.org/wp-content/uploads/events/2013nc5/SEG299.HTM

Overall

1 Peng Cheng / Zhang Hao HDX 195.55 1 1
2 Sui Wenjing / Han Cong HDX 187.23 2 3
3 in the rain / Jinyang SJX 184.75 3 2
4 Wangxue Han / Wang Lei HXX 156.00 5 4
5 Wang Wenting / Zhang Yan HDX 146.74 4 5
6 Suijia Ying / Yang Yongliang super HDX 125.46 6 6
7 Fan Xinxin / Liuxin Ze QZX 111.56 7 7
 
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Wow, the blatant politics are so ugly. Sui/Han got higher TES than Peng/Zhang in both SP and FS but much lower PCS. :mad:

Yu/Jin got the highest TES in the FS! Congrats to them.
 

sky_fly20

Match Penalty
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Nov 20, 2011
Han Yan is off the podium :eek: congrats to Boyang Jin
does this mean Yan wont get that sole men's Olympics spot ?

Men FS: http://chnfs.org/wp-content/uploads/events/2013nc5/SEG295.HTM

1 Jin Boyang HZX 158.18 91.68 B 67.50 6.67 6.58 7.00 6.75 6.75 1.00 # 22
2 Jinlin Guan HZX 147.96 77.46 B 70.50 7.00 6.83 7.17 7.08 7.17 0.00 # 20
3 Song Nan QZX 135.45 62.95 B 72.50 7.42 7.25 7.00 7.25 7.33 0.00 # 24
4 Yan Han HZX 129.59 57.25 72.34 7.42 7.08 6.92 7.42 7.33 0.00 # 23
5 off aerospace HZX 128.38 66.22 B 63.16 6.50 6.08 6.42 6.33 6.25 1.00 # 19
6 Zhang He JZX 127.45 64.63 63.82 6.33 6.25 6.33 6.50 6.50 1.00 # 16
7 Zangwen Bo QZX 126.95 66.77 B 60.18 6.17 5.83 5.92 6.17 6.00 0.00 # 18
8 Wang JZX 123.61 58.93 B 65.68 6.75 6.42 6.33 6.67 6.67 1.00 # 21
9 Xu man JZX 113.86 60.20 B 54.66 5.67 5.33 5.25 5.58 5.50 1.00 # 13
10 Hao Yan JTX 112.70 58.20 54.50 5.50 5.25 5.50 5.50 5.50 0.00 # 10
11 Tang continued HZX 111.37 57.39 54.98 5.58 5.33 5.58 5.50 5.50 1.00 # 15
12 Jiafeng Bo HZX 109.87 56.71 54.16 5.58 5.17 5.50 5.58 5.25 1.00 # 17
13 Kangzi Yu QZX 103.18 57.16 46.02 4.75 4.42 4.67 4.67 4.50 0.00 # 6
14 Road rhyme HZX 101.03 54.19 46.84 4.92 4.50 4.67 4.75 4.58 0.00 # 9
15 Li Yuheng QZX 98.68 51.86 46.82 4.92 4.58 4.58 4.75 4.58 0.00 # 12
16 Liu Runqi QZX 98.24 53.90 45.34 4.67 4.50 4.42 4.58 4.50 1.00 # 7
17 Liu Jia Star HDX 92.36 34.54 58.82 6.00 5.75 5.58 6.08 6.00 1.00 # 14
18 Cui Hongming JTX 88.56 41.40 48.16 5.00 4.75 4.58 4.92 4.83 1.00 # 11
19 Wangjin Ze HZX 86.25 45.25 44.00 4.50 4.25 4.17 4.58 4.50 3.00 # 8
20 Kenneth Lee JTX 84.53 46.71 39.82 4.25 3.83 3.83 4.08 3.92 2.00 # 3
21 in Peak HZX 84.40 46.04 39.36 4.17 3.67 3.75 4.17 3.92 1.00 # 5
22 Francis Li Chak Yan HFX 78.99 42.17 36.82 3.75 3.50 3.75 3.83 3.58 0.00 # 2
23 Li Luan Feng HXX 62.72 28.90 34.82 3.58 3.33 3.50 3.58 3.42 1.00 # 4
24 Wangtian Ze HXX 62.42 33.42 33.00 3.58 3.17 3.08 3.50 3.17 4.00 # 1

Overall:

1 Jin Bo Yang HZX 229.18 3 1
2 Song Nan QZX 215.91 1 3
3 Jinlin Guan HZX 213.55 5 2
4 Yan Han HZX 207.61 2 4
5 off aerospace HZX 192.21 6 5
6 Wang JZX 190.96 4 8
Zang Wenbo QZX 186.64 7 7 7
Zhang He JZX 181.84 9 6 8
9 Tang continued HZX 165.46 10 11
10 Jiafeng Bo HZX 165.15 8 12
11 Xu man JZX 164.27 12 9
12 Hao Yan JTX 160.50 15 10
13 Kangzi Yu QZX 149.79 17 13
Li Yuheng QZX 148.71 13 15 14
15 Road rhyme HZX 147.94 16 14
16 Liu Jia Star HDX 146.16 11 17
Liu Runqi QZX 142.48 19 16 17
Cui Hongming JTX 137.66 14 18 18
19 Wangjin Ze HZX 132.23 18 19
20 in Peak HZX 125.16 20 21
21 Kenneth Lee JTX 116.91 22 20
22 Francis Li Chak Yan HFX 110.95 23 22
23 Li Luan Feng HXX 95.41 21 23
24 Wangtian Ze HXX 93.41 24 24
 

hanca

Record Breaker
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Sep 23, 2008
Wow, the blatant politics are so ugly. Sui/Han got higher TES than Peng/Zhang in both SP and FS but much lower PCS. :mad:

Yu/Jin got the highest TES in the FS! Congrats to them.

Are you really implying that Sui/Han deserve higher PCS? With their rubbish basic skating? That's why there are two different marks in skating, one that marks the technical side and one that looks what is being done in between elements. Peng/Zhang are watchable even if the elements did not work out, whereas if the elements didn't work out for Sui/Han, there is nothing left in the program.
 

CanadianSkaterGuy

Record Breaker
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Jan 25, 2013
Wow, that is very surprising to see Han Yan off the podium. I'm guessing something must be wrong because even in his SP he didn't go for the quad.

Kudos to Boyang Jin for 91 points of TES!

So what happens now? Skate off at 4CC?
 

dorispulaski

Wicked Yankee Girl
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United-States
Ziggy, if you have links for the LP, I hope you'll share them.

I saw Peng & Zhang's LP at the GPF, and they looked a lot better than Sui/Han's Skate Canada & NHK LPs. I'd definitely give P&Z better PCS than S&H....but I want to see the vids from this competition. Also I haven't seen any protocols. All I know so far is that neither team had a fall.

And Sui/Han were 3rd in the LP...their TES was about a point higher than Peng/Zhang.

I believe the team that was second in the LP, third in the SP, and 3rd overall is in real life is I believe Yu & Jin, the JGPF jr. champions. I suspect that it is Sui/Han who got the boost for being well known.

Protocols are here:
http://chnfs.org/wp-content/uploads/events/2013nc5/index.htm

In the SP, Peng & Zhang had 3T, level 4 death spiral, level 3 spin, level 3 triple twist, throw triple loop, and level 4 step. All judges judged all skills + Goe. Particular wow value on the twist & the throw. (lots +3's) It looks like P&Z are doing skills Zhang & Zhang used to do.
Sui & Han had level 4 on the triple twist, and do a throw triple flip, a lift that gets half a point more base, and a level 4 spin. It looks like from the GOE that S/H's 3Ts & spins had their issues. And the spin dragged at the end.

Peng/Zhang Sp
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0MjQ2MTg4.html

Sui / Han SP
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0MjI0NjQw.html

I'd give the Sp to P/Z-and that's a surprise to me, because S/H's SP is charming...but they just don't have the unison P&Z now have...how P&Z have improved since last year :eek: :clap:

The LP protocols aren't up yet as far as I can tell.
 
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zydeco88

On the Ice
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Feb 3, 2013
Wow, that is very surprising to see Han Yan off the podium. I'm guessing something must be wrong because even in his SP he didn't go for the quad.

So what happens now? Skate off at 4CC?
Based on what I gather from twitter feeds, he recently changed his skating boots and hasn't really gotten used to them yet. He's been unable to successfully execute 4T in practices as the result and decided to switch to 4S. In the six-min warm-up prior to the SP, he fell on the second 4S attempt and injured himself. Some people have been saying that he suffered a dislocation from the fall and rumor has it that he was in pain the whole night prior to the day of the free skate segment.

Han Yan 6-min warm-up video: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0MzU2OTA0.html
@3:49, what a horrible fall, after that he spent the remaining warm-up time skating around the rink.

So what happens now? Skate off at 4CC?

The Chinese Olympic Team selection criteria uses some sort of a weighted percentage method, in which the highest SP+FS scores at international events account for 70% and the highest SP+FS scores at domestic events account for 30% of the total.
The scores that the top three candidates for the men's singles, Boyang Jin, Nan Song and Han Yan got at Chinese Nats are actually lower than the ones they got at Anta Cup, another Chinese domestic competition held earlier this season in Beijing from the 4th to 6th of September. So, the latter carries more weight than the former. Their Anta Cup scores are as follows:
1. Nan Song: 237.75
2. Boyang Jin: 235.75
3. Han Yan: 231.26

Their highest scores from international competitions:
1. Han Yan: 245.62 (CoC)
2. Nan Song: 220.70 (Universiade)
3. Boyang Jin: 218.73 (JGP Final)

So, the current standing is Han Yan, Nan Song and Boyang Jin in that order. If neither Nan Song nor Boyang Jin is able to outstrip Han Yan's highest international scores at 4CC, Han Yan goes to the Olympics (barring any injuries). 4CC will be the deciding final qualifier for the Olympic berth.
 

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!
Record Breaker
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Dec 27, 2009
Awww..sad to see Hanee off the podium. I hope he still gets to go to the Olympics. Would be a shame he wouldn't get to go after the awesome GP season he had.
 

zydeco88

On the Ice
Joined
Feb 3, 2013
Men's SP:
Han Yan: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0Mzg3MzQ4.html
Boyang Jin: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0MzQ3ODk2.html
Nan Song: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0MzMzMzQ0.html
Yuhang Guan: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0Mzk4OTQ4.html
Jinlin Guan: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0MzUwMzYw.html
Yi Wang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0MzQ5MzYw.html
Yan Hao: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NzcwOTI4.html
He Zhang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NzMzNjAw.html

Men's FS:
Boyang Jin: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODExMzY4.html
Nan Song: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODEyMjU2.html
Han Yan: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODExNjcy.html
Jinlin Guan: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODEwNzE2.html
Yuhang Guan: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODEwNDI0.html
Wenbo Zang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODEwMDk2.html
He Zhang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA5MzMy.html
Yi Wang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODExMDE2.html
Fengbo Jia: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA5NzMy.html
Tangxu Li: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA4ODg0.html
Zuoren Xu: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA4MDg0.html
Jiaxing Liu: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA4NTQw.html

Pairs' SP:
Peng/Zhang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NDQ0MDMy.html
Sui/Han: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NDQzNTA0.html
Wang/Wang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NDQ1MTQ4.html
Yu/Jin: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NDQ1NDEy.html
Wang/Zhang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NDQ0NDQ4.html
Sui/Yang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NDQ0NzEy.html

Pairs' FS:
Peng/Zhang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA3NjMy.html
Sui/Han: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA3MjQ0.html
Yu/Jin: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA2NTg0.html
Wang/Wang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA1NTQ0.html
Fan/Liu: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODAxNDk2.html
Sui/Yang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA1MTEy.html
Wang/Zhang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODA2MDA4.html

Ladies' SP:
Kexin Zhang: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NDI3NzY0.html
Ziquan Zhao: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NDI5NDA4.html
Xiaowen Guo: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0NDM4OTY0.html

Ladies' FS:
Xiaowen Guo: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODE4MjA0.html
Ziquan Zhao: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU0ODIyNTE2.html
 

Gigi13

On the Ice
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Dec 2, 2013
It's so sad seeing Han off the podium I hope he gets to go to the Olympics, he's been amazing all season...It would be sad if he wasn't going.
 

Gliding on ice

Rinkside
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Dec 11, 2011
So, the current standing is Han Yan, Nan Song and Boyang Jin in that order. If neither Nan Song nor Boyang Jin is able to outstrip Han Yan's highest international scores at 4CC, Han Yan goes to the Olympics (barring any injuries). 4CC will be the deciding final qualifier for the Olympic berth.

According to the Selection rule, 4CC is not counted as an eligible international event (perhaps because it's very close to the Olympics). So per the selection criteria, Han Yan gets to go the Olympics, unless there are shady politics going on behind the scenes.
 

Violet Bliss

Record Breaker
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Nov 19, 2010
I really like the Chinese selection system, wisely weighted with clear formula, calculated with real scores rather than just ordinals. It leaves no room for the authority to fudge, yet is comprehensive enough for the high probability of the most competitive skaters being selected. :thumbsup: Definitely superior to either American or Japanese model.

As well, there is no noticeable national inflation.
 

CanadianSkaterGuy

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Jan 25, 2013
I really like the Chinese selection system, wisely weighted with clear formula, calculated with real scores rather than just ordinals. It leaves no room for the authority to fudge, yet is comprehensive enough for the high probability of the most competitive skaters being selected. :thumbsup: Definitely superior to either American or Japanese model.

As well, there is no noticeable national inflation.

Yes, this was the biggest thing! I noticed that Yan wasn't held up in PCS, even though with the GP season he's had he would have certainly been held up in Japan/Russia/Canada/US/etc. Seems like placements were really dependent on technical performance.
 

FSGMT

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Sep 10, 2012
P/Z had too many mistakes! They have improved a lot, yes, but their score was too high, if compared to what the other pairs received :disapp:
 

dorispulaski

Wicked Yankee Girl
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This is very frustrating. The protocols are up for ladies LP , men's LP, & dance FD, but the pairs LP has a copy of the Ladies LP instead of the correct info :bang:
 

zydeco88

On the Ice
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Feb 3, 2013
According to the Selection rule, 4CC is not counted as an eligible international event (perhaps because it's very close to the Olympics). So per the selection criteria, Han Yan gets to go the Olympics, unless there are shady politics going on behind the scenes.
You're right. Thanks for rectifying my mistake.

http://sports.163.com/13/1231/08/9HDLDV4G00051CAQ.html
I was reading this article through google-translate. It seems that the selection committee has decided on the Olympic Team, except for the second spot for the ladies' singles. Assuming that it's true (do enlighten me on the credibility of the article), the members of China's Olympic Team in figure skating are as follows:
Men's Singles: Han Yan
Ladies' Singles: Kexin Zhang, TBA (the committee has yet to make a final decision in consideration of Zijun's serious state of decline this season)
Pairs: Pang/Tong, Peng/Zhang
Ice Dance: Huang/Zheng

The article also confirmed that Han Yan dislocated his arm.
 
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Jan 22, 2004
Are you really implying that Sui/Han deserve higher PCS? With their rubbish basic skating? That's why there are two different marks in skating, one that marks the technical side and one that looks what is being done in between elements. Peng/Zhang are watchable even if the elements did not work out, whereas if the elements didn't work out for Sui/Han, there is nothing left in the program.

:confused: Sui/Han's basic skating isn't good and their postures and lines are poor but they have almost always shown well choreographed programs, skated to the music, with a lot of transitions. And this season is no exception. Well, the programs are probably watered down a bit, compared to what they've shown in the past but they're still decent.

Peng/Zhang's skating skills are a bit better, yeah, but not great either. They have definitely improved their postures and lines a lot and their movement is much more refined. But then, they don't have the projection and attack that Sui/Han show. So yeah, I could understand SS and PE being a bit higher but not significantly. Now that I look at their SP in more detail, the way it is laid out, the upper body movement in between the elements, I haven't given them enough credit. It's a very decent program. What really is grating, however, is how off-time P/Z's movements seem to be. It's like they aren't even trying to skate to the music.

Having said all that, I really don't think that the judges actually care and think about stuff like this (and I don't necessarily blame them given the lack of time and tools). They just give out one mark based on a general impression and slightly 'vary' it. Since P/Z got clearly higher PCS scores in both programs, despite having lower TES, then either the judges focused a lot on the things P/Z are better at, instead of looking at the bigger picture, or P/Z are now seen as a better team, having made the GPF and being Yao Bin's favourites out of the two teams.

I really like the Chinese selection system, wisely weighted with clear formula, calculated with real scores rather than just ordinals. It leaves no room for the authority to fudge, yet is comprehensive enough for the high probability of the most competitive skaters being selected. :thumbsup: Definitely superior to either American or Japanese model.

As well, there is no noticeable national inflation.

Thumbs up from me as well. The system is completely transparent and whatever you think about it, it's the scores that decide and not some official's personal preferences, or 'could be would bes' (skater A came 2nd but we see him as more promising so we'll send him instead).
 
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