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    How important is Plushenko for Sochi Olympics?

    Is Plushenko the most popular winter athlete in Russia? I could think the hockey team (Ovetskjin… ?) is Russia's main favorite and most under pressure to win gold. The Russian cross country skiers are also very good (the men won the relay at World Cup in Norway two weeks ago) as well as their biathlon team. And perhaps others… ? I read a post here somewhere which said Plushenko is a favorite to carry the Russian flag at the opening ceremony (don't remember who the voters were)

    In short I wonder how much the Russians(except for figure skating fans) appreciate Plushenko and think it is important that he competes in Sochi.

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    I'm interested to hear from Russians on here what they think of him. He has to be a sports icon. His first world medal was SIXTEEN years ago and he's still around!!! Or are people in Russia just over him and wish he'd give up the ghost.

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    Here's the relevant article on the flag bearing poll:

    http://translate.google.com/translat...e%2F13399.html

    Not being Russian myself, or knowing much about it, I cannot really comment on the situation at large, though. I'll be curious to hear what our Russian members have to say.

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    Whether he competes or not, his presence will be hugely important. As for flag bearing, hasn't he done so before? I know several countries have repeat flag bearers but you'd think a major Winter Olympics country like Russia would have other Russian athletes (eg Ovechkin) who could also have that honour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRK View Post
    Here's the relevant article on the flag bearing poll:

    http://translate.google.com/translat...e%2F13399.html
    Thanks LRK... looks like Plushenko is the favorite

    But the article is strange: More than 15 million fans have already participated in voting for the Russian Olympic team flag bearer.... 6 458 for Plushy, 3 119 for Zaitseva etc. Maybe "translate" should mean "more than 15 000"

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    I'm not Russian, but I have heard that the Russians greatly appreciate their previously successful athletes, even more so over the up and comers. They pay their respects, as so to say. This is why Plushenko might be chosen for the one men's spot that Russia has over Kovtum. That's where the debate is for them though: do they invest in a young skater who is the future of Russian men's skating, or do they pay tribute to Plushenko who has been wildly successful in his career? Even as a non-Russian, I cannot answer the question myself. I don't have an opinion one way or the other because I think both choices are great and make sense. Too bad Russia only has 1 spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflake View Post
    Thanks LRK... looks like Plushenko is the favorite

    But the article is strange: More than 15 million fans have already participated in voting for the Russian Olympic team flag bearer.... 6 458 for Plushy, 3 119 for Zaitseva etc. Maybe "translate" should mean "more than 15 000"
    I just went onto the voting page on vKontakte ( http://vk.com/teamrussia2014?fixed=1 )

    The total vote is currently at 18,057. So, yeah, it was a mis-translation.

    Plushy is is now up to 6,919 (including myself!), which is still roughly double what his nearest challenger, Olga Zaitseva, has (3,565)

    Somehow, I don't see anybody catching him!

    CaroLiza_fan

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    http://smena.ru/news/2013/12/16/22867
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    Who will be the flag of our team at the Olympic Games in Sochi

    Prior to the start of the Olympic Games in Sochi is already less than two months . So talk about the upcoming grand for Russia and the world sports event , of course , more . In addition to the medal prospects of our team in different sports , and is actively discussing who should be entrusted to carry the Russian flag at the opening ceremony of the Games ? 2014 . According to the ROC president Alexander Zhukov , the standard-bearer choose sportsmen Russian team captains precisely . "Change" about the chances of the most probable candidates for honorable mission .

    Ilya Kovalchuk
    (ice hockey)
    ... Note that because our team Olympic tournament starts on February 13 , participated in the ceremony will not affect the gaming potential Kovalchuk.
    Chances: 35 percent.

    Olga Zaitseva
    (biathlon )
    Zaitsev represent not particularly necessary - double Olympic champion and three-time world champion for many years playing at the highest level .
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    In addition, because women's sprint at the Games is planned only on Sunday, February 9 , after the Friday ceremony at biathletes will be enough time for rest and recovery.
    Chances: 35 percent * .

    Evgeni Plushenko
    (figure skating )
    Say " figure skating " - mean Evgeni Plushenko . At its three previous Olympics Plushenko won one gold and two silver medals , but few believed that Eugene will continue performances in amateur sport and try ( although it is not just about it said ) to qualify for the Olympic Games in Sochi . True, yet Plushenko in the Olympic team does not guarantee : after a major operation he needs to confirm its high class . But if he succeeds , the skater will be a real contender for the role of standard-bearer . Although Plushenko prevent , in particular, can tight competition schedule - February 6 , the day before the official start of the Games , Sculler will roll ???? short program team competitions , and scheduled for February 9, any program .
    Chances: 15 percent.

    Ivan Skobrev
    ( speed skating )
    ....
    Chances: 5 percent.

    Albert Demchenko
    ( Luge )
    ....
    Chances: 5 percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sochi_2014 View Post
    That's where the debate is for them though: do they invest in a young skater who is the future of Russian men's skating, or do they pay tribute to Plushenko who has been wildly successful in his career? Even as a non-Russian, I cannot answer the question myself. I don't have an opinion one way or the other because I think both choices are great and make sense. Too bad Russia only has 1 spot.
    Kovtun isn't the be-all and end-all. He's not consistent (well, okay, none of them are) and has pretty well got where he is so far through a combination of politics, Tarasova, and the judges somehow overlooking the general hideousness of his jump technique. He's not the only skater in Russia's future and I wish people would stop acting like he is. He's only a year younger than Gachinski, for goodness' sake.

    Plushenko should go if his body holds up. If he cannot, then whoever EARNS it at Nationals and Euros should be sent. No more rubbish shenanigans like last year, where Kovtun's Worlds selection was made only because of Tarasova's backroom politics, rather than what Kovtun put on the ice.

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    Thanks Plushyfan.

    Sochi_2014 and karne… I didn't mean this to be a Plushenko against other Russian skaters. That's discussed in other threads. I just wondered how famous, known, popular Plushenko is in Russia outside of the skating family. I just wanted to know where he stands compared to other Russian winter athletes. And how much it means to have him as a competitor, flag bearer, entartainer, torch lighter or whatever. I suppose only Russians can answer this but sadly I think there are not many of them in this forum.

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    I think there is a legitimate argument for putting Plushenko on the team because he is the only Russian man capable of winning an individual medal. This, of course, assumes that he is fully healthy. His marketability shouldn't factor in this decision. To me, putting him on the team is no more or less controversial than putting Kwan on the team ahead of Emily Hughes (which I thought was not controversial at all). Like Plushenko, Kwan hardly competed in the two years leading up to Turin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I think there is a legitimate argument for putting Plushenko on the team because he is the only Russian man capable of winning an individual medal.
    But he isn't and that's my point.I can name three other men capable of winning a gold medal for Russia: Legkov and Vylegzhanin in cross country skiing and Ustyugov (gold in Vancouver) in biathlon. And I don't know about other disciplinces. That's why I'm asking how big Plushenlo is compared to other Russian athletes

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflake View Post
    But he isn't and that's my point.I can name three other men capable of winning a gold medal for Russia: Legkov and Vylegzhanin in cross country skiing and Ustyugov (gold in Vancouver) in biathlon. And I don't know about other disciplinces. That's why I'm asking how big Plushenlo is compared to other Russian athletes
    I mean in the context of figure skating, as those other athletes aren't fighting for the one spot in the men's event. You also have to factor in the popularity of the sport as well, and I have no idea how the Russian fans feel about skating versus other sports.

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    There are other types of polls that one could look at as well - "Russian athlete of the year", that sort of thing. Not that polls should be taken at face value, or being conclusive of anything, of course. It would also depend on who was voting &c - and Plushy has a fairly sizeable international fanbase, so it might still be difficult to assess his position in Russia merely. Still, I suppose something could be gleaned from them?

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    It was mentioned in that article how big the Internet following of plushenko is and how he wins virtually all the Internet polls. But he also always places high in non Internet polls so the following is big and real but it's not like other winter athletes don't sometimes beat him. He benefits from living in Russia.

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