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    Next to Torvill & Dean, my opinion is Anissina & Peizerat, the Dushenays, Klimova & Ponomarenko.

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    K&P, and the Duchesneys-can't forget them. Just for their Jungle beat alone. I love A&P, and while they had an impact on those skating at the same time, I don't think their impact will last.

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    Didn't Chris Dean choreograph for the Duschenays? I remember reading that Isabelle was upset that her hubby wouldn't work exclusively with her and her brother.

    Anyway, after T&D, my faves are B&K - although I do agree with the others who found them less interesting in their later years. For me, they became more like everyone else instead of themselves.

    I've also enjoyed Pomenarenko & Klimova. As professionals, I've enjoyed Punsalen & Swallow - thought they were underrated as amateurs. Roca/Sur are also excellent.

    At this point, I see Belbin/Agosto as better than L&T. The former team seems to be stronger as individuals and as a team.

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    Usova and Zhulin

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    In no particular or Pomenarano & Klimevdo (I know I spelled the name wrong so forgive me

    Grishok & Platov

    and of course Anissina & Peizerant

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    Dean did do their choreography. I don't know about her being mad at him for working with others, but obviuously there were some kinks in the relationship.

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    Re: it has to be

    Originally posted by Bijoux
    Bourne and Kraatz. They can do everything.


    TBO, I never really enjoyed T&D. I found them a bit dull, but I guess that's because I'm spoiled by K&P, G&P, A&P, U&Z, etc.

    I absolutely deteste the Duschenays for a myriad of reasons. Stating them now would take me too long.

    Hmm... My favorites would have to be K&P (I love their Air FD. It's one of those programs where I just watch, and I'm mezmorized). U&Z (I love their 4 seasons FD). A&P (Their R&J FD is probably one of my all time favorites). G&P (I love many of their FDs, St James' Infirmary, Memorial).

    Pro, I love B&B's Rasputin.

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    Here's some heresy for you .. I think T&D were overrated. My personal favorites were Usova and Zhulin. However I think that the best ice dancers of all time were Klimova and Ponamerenko... they were reputed to be the best technical ice dancers and they were very pretty to watch. I never got into Gritchuk and Platov but then again, I think that ice dancing has gone downhill ever since they've allowed songs with lyrics. I think that lyrics really cheapen the competition and the programs just don't flow like they used to. Either they're skating to one crappy Scorpions song (L&T) or disco muzak.

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    Originally posted by soogar
    Here's some heresy for you .. I think T&D were overrated. My personal favorites were Usova and Zhulin. However I think that the best ice dancers of all time were Klimova and Ponamerenko... they were reputed to be the best technical ice dancers and they were very pretty to watch. I never got into Gritchuk and Platov but then again, I think that ice dancing has gone downhill ever since they've allowed songs with lyrics. I think that lyrics really cheapen the competition and the programs just don't flow like they used to. Either they're skating to one crappy Scorpions song (L&T) or disco muzak.
    lol, I don't think Ice Dancing went down because of lyrics, I think it went down when it became itemized. I actually like the Scorpians :\.

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    Once they put an end to the creative programs and banned classical music , the sport died for me. It's really boring to watch now and I think that by limiting the music , they did the sport a great disservice.

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    Seeing T&D live in Ottawa doing their Paso Doble OSP was one of the greatest experiences of my life, and I am 56. That was 20 years ago. I have seen a lot of skating since, both live and on TV, and nothing else has topped that. I am not kidding. It is impossible to overrate T&D, seen live.

    And if you really want to understand how great they were, see whether you can get a tape of their CD's. TD exactly retraced their patterns, closer than some singles skaters did their school figures. Their control was phenomenal.

    Second to T&D, I would Pakhamova and Gorshkov. They redefined the sport. Sometime read up on Pakhamova's grave, and you will realize how much effect she had on people. They were amazing. The first time I saw ice dancing, it was P&G skating in the 1st Olympics that had ice dancing, and I have loved them ever since.

    Third place is much harder. I would not consider B&B. I disliked their skating then, and dislike it more now, in a very visceral sense, driven by the fact that they so seldom were capable of skating with any fixed relation to the rhythm of the music.

    I loved both K&P and U&Z. They were wonderful skaters. But they didn't add anything new to the sport.

    D&D were very, very memorable performers. And they did change the face of the sport, but they weren't the greatest skaters. It is unclear how much of what I loved about them was Chris Dean's choreography.

    And yes that's just my opinion.

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    "Once they put an end to the creative programs and banned classical music , the sport died for me. It's really boring to watch now and I think that by limiting the music , they did the sport a great disservice."

    Banned classical music? I disagree. This year alone, D&S and G&P have classical programs. I'm sure there are others in the lower ranks. L&A did bach in 2001, A&P did Beethoven. Those are just the first that come to my head. There is still quite the variety of music. I like lyrics. It hink A&P's Carmina Burana was an amazing program skated to amazing music.

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    I sure never heard they banned classical music. When did that happen?

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    Originally posted by Grgranny
    I sure never heard they banned classical music. When did that happen?
    They didn't.

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    For me, Klimova and Ponomarenko without a doubt. Even though T and D are noteably the "best", K and P are my fav's...........

    Don't get me started on Gritshuk & Platov -- they had their moments, but also probably made more blatant mistakes in their programs than any other dance couple on that level. I find their 4-year utter domination to be a bit mystifying and quite frankly rather suspicious.
    ....Totally agree, Jonny..........42
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