Russia looks for nationals and europeans. If Plushenko fail at nationals, he will go to euro and need good skate there. Then Sochi. If both fail, no Sochi. National competition is not all. Japan federation always made clear.
If Chan place 5th at nationals he 100% deserve olympics. National is only one competition.
I think they all had an idea of what the rules were like and what they had to do, so in that sense it's fair. There's a lot of logic behind not making the Nationals the end-all be-all, so as long as the skaters are well aware that that's the case, it's fair. However, I wish the system factored in consistency with a measure other than world rank, so Oda would be considered.
it's crazy that someone with 3 90+ TES FS scores and a podium at every event but Nats isn't going. I think with a different judging panel, he could have won NHK Trophy and the bronze medal here, which really makes me feel for him even more, since that would have improved his position.
But I can't get really get riled up because all 3 skaters are 100% worthy of going in terms of skills.
My main problem with the criteria that it rewarded certain parts of past performances while completely ignoring other ones.
For example, why are the top 3 in WR/SB considered but yet only the No. 1 at GPF is considered?
WR is also bogus for the reasons pointed out earlier. Oda was doomed there because of injuries that basically took him out in the second half of the 2011-2012 season and hampered him in 2012-2013. This was the first year Oda was injury free.
It's worth noting that in the season's world ranking, Noburnari is No. 2. Even if you take out the senior B he did (and the others), he would have been No. 3 behind Patrick and Yuzuru. Daisuke is No. 15.
Another worth noting is total scores.
Nobuanri scores: 262.98 (Nebelhorn)/233.00 (Skate Canada)/253.16 (NHK Trophy)/255.96 (GPF) Average: 251.28
Tatsuki scores: 226.21 (Asian Open Trophy) 265.38 (Skate America)/257.00(Cup of Russia)/236.03 (GPF)
Daisuke: 236.21 (Skate America)/268.31 (NHK Trophy)
Daisuke has the edge, but barely and because of his scores at NHK.
What's even more telling is the FS scores:
Nobunari: 152.18 (73.32 TES) (Skate Canada)/170.46 (88.62 TES) (NHK Trophy)/ 175.02 (91.58 TES)/(GPF)
Tatsuki: 174.20 (90.84 TES) (Skate America)/ 172.10 (89.60 TES) (Rostelecom Cup)/170.37 (88.07 TES) (GPF)
Daisuke: 159.12 (72.40 TES) (Skate America/ 172.76 (81.52 TES) (NHK Trophy)
Yes, Daisuke has the PCS scores to bail him out that neither Tatsuki or Nobunari has, but ultimately if he does not have the TES, the PCS only takes him so far, as we saw at Worlds in 2013.
So yes by the criteria Daisuke being chosen was fine, but it was clear they definitely did the cafeteria method as far as what factors were the most important.
This totally pains me to say because i'm glad that Daisuke is going to Sochi for more sentimental reasons and I love his skating. However, from a "was this fair" standpoint, that is where I stand.
In terms of why I think Russian judging is more corrupt, 4 words: Cup of Russia 2013.
Originally Posted by karne
What I was saying is that Dai and Plu are both revered in their respective countries. So much so that if a supposedly honourable country like Japan sends their 5th place finisher to Sochi, then one can imagine that Russian Nationals is hardly a team selection so much as an exhibition where as long as Plushenko stays on his feet, he'll likely be selected for Sochi - or at the least, Euros. Like, if Plushenko is 4th, will one of the top 3 guys be denied a Euros entry (and essentially their shot at Sochi)?
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Regarding the Olympic team, I think sending Takahashi is fine. The 'fairest' thing, IMO, would have been to send Oda, because he was the most consistent out of the 3rd spot trio. But then again, it's always about who has the highest scoring potential too, and that's clearly Takahashi.
My problem lies with the world team though. Another skate off for the Sochi team would be a good idea in general, but with 4CC so close to the Olympics it would have been way to tough on the skaters. But they could have used 4CC and Sochi as additional showings to determine the worlds team. I'm so sad for Oda, because the JSF really seemed to try their best to keep him off the team. And then Kozuka, who had such a bad start and came fighting back at nationals. People are repeating again and again how Takahashi couldn't do his best because of his injury, but Kozuka is dealing with a severe injury too. So if that's any excuse for Takahashi, it should be able to count as an excuse for Kozukas bad GP showings too. At the end, it would be yet another reason to send Oda to Sochi. He's healthy.
Additionally, I get all the 'Yay, Dai has been chosen!' hype, but I actually didn't like the audience reaction that much. Of course everyone is allowed to suppoert whoever they want to, but it makes me even more heart-broken for Oda and Kozuka. It's a little like saying "See, if you just would have been more popular, we might have actually rewarded you for your work". Seeing Kozuka cry in that interview later didn't help
I totally agree. That must have been heartwrenching for Kozuka to know that he placed top 3 and yet the crowd was thrilled that he would not be going to Sochi in favour of Dai. It is rubbing it in his face that he's only not going to Sochi because of Dai's popularity.
Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu
It is not popularity only. Constellation was convenient for Japan federation to send Takahashi, and it was their wish, but to say it only due to Takahasi popularity is too easy.
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
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