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A Female Skater Who Has Everything, Is It Possible?

Icey

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Nov 28, 2012
Yes, her name is Michelle Kwan.

Michelle lacked several things (the question is who had or has EVERYTHING), as does Yu-na: both lacked a triple axel; Yu-na's spiral position and layback are not text book quality. Michelle's layback was lacking too.

No, there has not been nor probably ever will be a skater who has everything.
 

drivingmissdaisy

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Feb 17, 2010
For me it was Oksana Baiul at her peak. Unlike a lot of the ladies mention, she had great spins and all the triples through the lutz (although no 3-3).
 

sky_fly20

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Nov 20, 2011
It would take Kim's jumps, skating skills, speed, mental strength and consistency... Czisny's spins... Asada's form, lightness, gracefulness and rock-steady spirals... Korpi's elegance... Lipnitskaia's gymnastics and athletics... Suzuki's expressiveness... personality like Misha Ge (I'm having to resort to male examples :p)... passion like Hanyu's 2012 WC... the ability to land clean 3A's and/or quads...etc etc. (Yes, I'm sure there are better examples than these).

Kim doesnt have the best skating skills, sure she does have speed
but she has bent weak knees and ugly lower leg form when she strokes the ice

I'd take Kostners instead
 

miki88

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Dec 28, 2009
It depends on what you mean by "everything". If it means the skater must have the most difficult jumps plus best artistry, then no, at least not yet. If it means the best overall package, then for me, it'll always be Michelle Kwan. Solid jumps, with beautiful landings + artistic vision + emotional connection. She also has an extensive catalog of programs that are always worthy of revisiting.
 

YunaBliss

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May 11, 2010
Yuna has the best overall package I've seen over the past 30 years. Mao is probably second.

If Yuna and Mao could do a fusion, then we would have a skater version of gogeta. :biggrin:
 

Blades of Passion

Skating is Art, if you let it be
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Strange that nobody has said Asada yet. In her peak she definitely had it all (unless you want to attack her flutz). Her 3Axel and 3Flip+3Loop were stunning and she combined them with footwork, spins, musicality, flexibility, and basic skating that were all excellent.
 

minze

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Dec 22, 2012
Strange that nobody has said Asada yet. In her peak she definitely had it all (unless you want to attack her flutz). Her 3Axel and 3Flip+3Loop were stunning and she combined them with footwork, spins, musicality, flexibility, and basic skating that were all excellent.

Yes. She did. And that is the reason despite her up and downs she has always been a contender.
 

CarneAsada

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Sep 17, 2011
Yuna has the best overall package I've seen over the past 30 years. Mao is probably second.

If Yuna and Mao could do a fusion, then we would have a skater version of gogeta. :biggrin:
Actually, Yuna and Mao almost perfectly fill each other's deficiencies. They would have all 6 triples, both -3T and -3Lo combinations, spirals and spins with great flexibility and speed, footwork, anything you can think of.
 

minze

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Dec 22, 2012
The perfect skater is the top 3. Yunas jumps, consistency and arms. Caro's presence and elegance and textbook tecqnique on all jumps. Mao's spins, flexibility and musicality.
 

CanadianSkaterGuy

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Jan 25, 2013
Strange that nobody has said Asada yet. In her peak she definitely had it all (unless you want to attack her flutz). Her 3Axel and 3Flip+3Loop were stunning and she combined them with footwork, spins, musicality, flexibility, and basic skating that were all excellent.

If Mao had the artistry she has now back then (or vice versa) then yes. However her best technical ability and refined artistry are two separate periods in her career.
 

yyyskate

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Aug 1, 2013
Yuna's everything (especially musicality, innate dance feel and jumps) + Mirai's layback spin = perfect female skater
 

MiRé

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Nov 12, 2012
Yuna's consistency+Mao's Flexibility+Caro's edges along with their jumps would make a perfect skater.

Oh, and put in Michell Kwan's ubers :yes:
 

aftertherain

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Jan 15, 2010
Yuna's consistency+Mao's Flexibility+Caro's edges along with their jumps would make a perfect skater.

Oh, and put in Michell Kwan's ubers :yes:

Oh yes. :yes: You wouldn't have a perfect female skater without us.
 

Blades of Passion

Skating is Art, if you let it be
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If Mao had the artistry she has now back then (or vice versa) then yes. However her best technical ability and refined artistry are two separate periods in her career.

She displayed quite a bit of artistry in her 2007 and 2008 SP's. What she did in 2007 still tops any other SP she has done since, IMO.

I would agree that Mao has become more refined but that doesn't mean she has become better. Her skating is more labored now.
 

miki88

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Dec 28, 2009
Maos' basic skating is much better now than ever before. You can see how she gains speed simply through edging at the end of her footwork sequence in the new Nocturne. In the past, she would use more crossovers.
 

CanadianSkaterGuy

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Jan 25, 2013
Her skating does seem more laboured but she is doing fewer crossovers and far more transitions which makes it more difficult which makes it look more laboured than simple crosscuts.
 

Blades of Passion

Skating is Art, if you let it be
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Yet again an example of more transitions hurting the other components. Performance, Choreography, Interpretation are 3 things. Transitions is 1. Simple math makes it apparent what is more important, if judged correctly. She has gotten better in some moments at really commanding her performance and listening to the music, but then in so many other moments there's not much of a performance at all because she is focusing on the fussy transitions.

Also, her wonderful spirals are diminished these days, which further hurts her choreography (since she isn't doing anything of equivalent wow-value to replace them).

It's really too bad, because she could be doing amazing things. This is the peak of her artistry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoZUjtm1LJw . Everything since then has been downhill. She has still retained that maturity but the joy of performance, the elegance of movement, and the purpose of movement have been diminished.
 
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