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Thread: Who Will Be The Ladies " Underdog" at the Olympics?

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    Isn't underdog or Darkhorse someone a term for someone who is a long shot contender.

    Someone like suzuki is an underdog.
    Someone like gede isn't even a mutt.

    You have to be a long shot candidate to be considered an underdog.

    There shouldn't be that many underdogs either. One or two who have a legitimate case and odds to win it all.

    Suzuki showed she can skate perfectly in both phases. And she is one of those who is good enough to win if top 3 makes mistakes.

    If Valentina skates perfectly, she wouldn't come close to the podium. She cannot be an underdog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sochi_2014 View Post
    I think underdog and darkhorse are one in the same. And as far as I'm concerned, everyone except Yuna and Mao are underdogs/darkhorses. That's why this Olympics is going to be so exciting, seeing who can fight it out for that last medal. No one is clearly set up to take it. Everyone has their attributes and downfalls. May the odds be ever in your favor!
    Agree - that's what always makes the Olympics exciting! Always a chance for an upset. I think Julia is the underdog/dark horse with the best shot at pulling a Sarah Hughes. It'd be similar - If she wins, everyone who tunes in just for the Olympics will say "who?" But skating fans would have known she always had some chance. It'd be a an even bigger upset though, given how far ahead of the field Yuna was at her last worlds and that Julia wasn't even at worlds.


    Just read this NYTIMES story that was recommended in the Mao Asada/triple axel threat. Tara has offered a pretty good answer for this thread:

    “Yu-na has become a megastar,” said Tara Lipinski, the 1998 Olympic champion. “She has that Olympic title and that puts them in a slightly different category than they were in before. Now, Mao is a bit of an underdog, pushing to grab that medal. Yu-na has only gotten more confident.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Isn't underdog or Darkhorse someone a term for someone who is a long shot contender.

    Someone like suzuki is an underdog.
    Someone like gede isn't even a mutt.
    So, what kind of an underdog was Elizabeth Manley? What was her results before olympics? As she was the example of an underdog in the first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sochi_2014 View Post
    I think underdog and darkhorse are one in the same. And as far as I'm concerned, everyone except Yuna and Mao are underdogs/darkhorses. That's why this Olympics is going to be so exciting, seeing who can fight it out for that last medal. No one is clearly set up to take it. Everyone has their attributes and downfalls. May the odds be ever in your favor!
    Oh no, just saw Hunger Games 2. Who will be the heroine (Katniss) of the games. We all know who gets major overscored no matter what. Zagreb, cough cough.

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    Manley was the perfect underdog since on her best day she was probably the best skater in the World (apart from Ito who was never a contender due to figures), but just often didnt bring that to the table, hence why she was an underdog, plus the nauseating hype about Witt vs Thomas rivalry and the dueling Carmens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflake View Post
    So, what kind of an underdog was Elizabeth Manley? What was her results before olympics? As she was the example of an underdog in the first post.
    She was an underdog. Top 5 in 2 previous Worlds. Olympics was in Canada. That is as underdog as you gonna get.

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    Maybe the perfect underdog would be someone who's currently out of the Olympics altogether. A Russian or Japanese alternate (Anna P?) getting a chance because of injury or Finland getting a leftover spot and Korpi making a miraculous recovery.

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    I would consider Caro, Suzuki, Adelina, Julia and Ashley underdogs for Gold or Silver, although any of them winning Bronze would not be surprising at all.

    Gold, Murukami and Osmond would be underdogs for any medal because that result would surprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I would consider Caro, Suzuki, Adelina, Julia and Ashley underdogs for Gold or Silver, although any of them winning Bronze would not be surprising at all.

    Gold, Murukami and Osmond would be underdogs for any medal because that result would surprise me.
    How things change. Before the season Kostner was being touted a strong gold hopeful. She was being picked as a strong contender than Mao. Now she is just another bronze contender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    How things change. Before the season Kostner was being touted a strong gold hopeful. She was being picked as a strong contender than Mao. Now she is just another bronze contender.
    After Japanese Nationals, Mao's stock has fallen slightly too. During the GP circuit everyone assumed Mao would improve all the way up to Sochi but now with this talk of her back pain issues that is in doubt as well.

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    It's really too bad Li Zijunn was injured and then ill, as she was on track for being a contender. I'm glad to see she's back on ice now, and seems to be getting her jumps back http://instagram.com/p/in7isozX87/

    If she can get back in shape in a matter of weeks, could she be a dark horse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    After Japanese Nationals, Mao's stock has fallen slightly too. During the GP circuit everyone assumed Mao would improve all the way up to Sochi but now with this talk of her back pain issues that is in doubt as well.
    Meanwhile the Russian ladies stock is on the rise all season, and Sotnikova after Nationals really sees her stock rise. And the Games are in Sochi. We might be in for an even bigger surprise than we are contemplating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Layfan View Post
    Just read this NYTIMES story that was recommended in the Mao Asada/triple axel threat. Tara has offered a pretty good answer for this thread:

    “Yu-na has become a megastar,” said Tara Lipinski, the 1998 Olympic champion. “She has that Olympic title and that puts them in a slightly different category than they were in before. Now, Mao is a bit of an underdog, pushing to grab that medal. Yu-na has only gotten more confident.”
    Except to call Mao an underdog to Yuna is like calling Microsoft/Bill Gates an underdog to Apple/Steve Jobs. Ridiculous!


    Quote Originally Posted by Matilda View Post
    It's really too bad Li Zijunn was injured and then ill, as she was on track for being a contender. I'm glad to see she's back on ice now, and seems to be getting her jumps back http://instagram.com/p/in7isozX87/

    If she can get back in shape in a matter of weeks, could she be a dark horse?
    Yes I posted some updates on her Fan thread in the Fan fest part of the forum. Consider she has had a horrible time this season recovering from series of illness and growth spurt, plus a bit uncertain about the coaching situation, I don't think LiMinZhu was even listed as a coach anymore.... I'd say she is the biggest under dog out of the ladies consider she was one of the most promising young lady's last season. Consider how strong all the Russian youngsters are this season, if she can still finish top 8 (assume she still go to Sochi, she didn't respond to that question today) imo that'd be a stunning finish! It will raise her stock considerably among the Asian ladies of the next quad.

    XiangFuzi posted more vids there.

    A video of FS practice (divided into three parts)was posted on weibo this afternoon. Zijun landed all the jumps(3F3T, 2A3T,3Lz,3S2lo2lo,3F,3lo,2A) and looked faster than ever.

    And Zijun said: "This video is sent to all people who care about me. I want to tell you, though in sick, I did not give up, has been working hard in silence!"

    http://v.youku.com/v...U2MDI2Mjk2.html
    http://v.youku.com/v...U2MDI2Nzg0.html
    http://v.youku.com/v...U2MDI2ODUy.html

    So glad to see these videos! This is the best New Year's gift for Zijun's fans like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    It seems that Yuna Kim is solid as a rock, so she's a lock for gold. As for the medalists, I put this in another thread, but I'll give silver to Lipnitskaia and bronze to Wagner. These are two women who have the eye of the tiger. That's my hope. Actually I hope JuLip takes gold but I doubt it. I want to see the fighters win. Not the pampered princesses with benefit of PCS. *puke*
    This. As an American I'm obviously gonna root for an American to get on the podium and I'm really hoping it's Ashley (I think Gracie will be more of a factor later). I also agree that Julia is a fighter and that makes me root for her. I also find her Schindler's List program interesting. I think her teammate Sotnikova (assuming those are the 2 Russian women chosen to go) could be in the mix if she skates clean. I'm not sure whether a "home field advantage" will help the Russians, or if the pressure will be too much for them, especially Julia whose only senior championship experience prior to the olympics will be Europeans.

    Added: I had previously thought Mao would challenge for gold, but after Japanese nationals, I'm thinking the pressure might be getting to her. I thought some of her early scores this season were a little generous considering her 3A attempts but I thought maybe the judges were setting her up to challenge Kim. However after the Golden Spin, I think the judges might be sending the message that no one is going to beat Kim for the gold.

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    Akiko, Ashley... those are the two that I think could shake things up drastically - but all of the stars have to align just so.

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