Maybe since Plushenko cut the most of the mullet, his super power evaporated.
Pangtongfan, you think Plushenko in his prime was 1999-2006 but that was a "prime" because he was the most consistent jumper by far. But to me, his prime was 2012 when his jumps weren't at their prime but the overall level of skating and difficulty of programs was actually formidable. He's always had consistency, presence, musicality but the actual aspects of figure skating beyond the elements were not there. If Plushenko was a skater who started out when the IJS was formed he would be a very different skater, skating much better programs.
And yes, I do believe Goebel is in some respects a better jumper than Plushenko. Plushenko has never landed 3 quads in a program because he has only been capable of doing 1 quad in competition, and Goebel back in the day actually had transitions going into his jumps, balances his jumps much better throughout a program, including quads in both halves of a program. In terms of consistency and quality of his 3A/4T Plushenko is a better jumper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aQdGyJQ1cU or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PWM2NESsGw
Kovtun 18.yo. under the COP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR9mSSHfb9Q
totally different, different rules etc. but look at Plushy quality moves and presentation..Kovtun is juniorish today, but will be very good. I don't like Plushy's LP,but we can't see when it is totally ready and perfect...
You can even see how much better he actually carried artistry throughout his Euro 2001 program. I mean look at the beginning, he doesn't reel off four jumping passes in a row, there's actual choreography at least artistically (still a lot of two footed skating and breaks... And of course I can't stand the hip thrusts and shoulder shimmying). But you can tell there's more of an effort when it comes to structure. By 2006 he didn't even need a program to win the Olympics; a clean skate would automatically translate to high PCS scores... and the rest of the field provided no challenge technically. It was only by 2010 that the judges finally started crediting skaters with better choreography (evidenced by his 5th best CH in Van 2010 FS) even if they didn't skate as cleanly.
Come Euros 2012 he had seemingly learnt his lesson from Vancouver and skated much better choreographed programs with transitions and balanced layout, but then come Nationals 2014 he regressed back to his 2006 jump fest. It's laughable that his SP and LP got better choreography and transitions scores than Kovtun, no matter how junior ish Kovtun may seem to you.
and St .Peterburg 300, Moonlight Sonata, Tango and Flamenco.. ..he collected many 6.0s with them, but I know you understand the FS more than the judges..
and I'm tired of your " two footed skating"...that was no problem in that time..but if you wan to see long one footed skating look at this..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ooGFKnTMYY incredible entertaning.
Nijinsky was arguably his best long program (maybe Carmen) before Euro 2012 in terms of intricacy of the actual program however there are a ton of breaks in that program. His first 3 jumping passes are literally a cycle of stroking around the ice, then jump, then rest (with either a two foot glide or coming to a stop). Artistically I get why he does that but from a skating standpoint it's bad choreo because breaks - especially 3 in a row - is a no-no. Two-footed skating/breaks/unbalanced programs have always been considered a problem. Plushenko was the overwhelming favourite, he went clean in that program, had nice performance/artistry, and was the last to skate in a rather ho-hum competition (I mean Klimkin was 2nd), and it was in Russia, so the string of 6.0's was hardly unexpected even if the program itself wasn't the most intricate.
Many people look for different things in a skater... I fundamentally look at the elements, skating skills, and intricacy of the program first and expressiveness and theatrics is somewhat secondary to that because good skating is fundamental.
Em, Plushenko has done multiple times two quads in one Lp program in Goebel days, and the incredibles 4-3-2, 4-3-3 (less times that). After Yagudin, the norm was (even at recent Russian Nationals) two quads per competition (1 sp and 1 lp). In 2006 Olys Lp he skated an auto mode, I believe he wanted this gold medal too much to blow it again, but i ve seen Godfather skated great in earliers competitions.Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy;813309
And yes, I do believe Goebel is in some respects a better jumper than Plushenko. Plushenko has never landed 3 quads in a program[B
Oh, by the way, Plushenko did try the 4Lz all the way back in 2001. He rotated it but couldn't stay up on it. After that he decided not to try again as it was the Olympic season and he didn't want to get injured.
What the people complaining about Plushenko's PCS at Russian Nationals are forgetting is that Kovtun's were also disgusting.
Nijinsky is pure magic you can't belittle it with any crooked reasoning.
I understand. I just want to enjoy the skating as most of Fs fans. I hope when a team doing the programs they want to make it for us, not for you,because the arena would be emptier than today. I think this is the biggest different between the Russian skating school and the North-Am skating school. The North-Am skating school is the winner today,but look at the empty arenas...
The new system destroyed the Russians for years. They need to build their whole skating on new fundaments.
Originally Posted by karne
You can actually say the same when people complain about Plush's interviews. Kovtun remarking about inflated PCS at nationals and pointing out Hanyu and Plush as examples was... well, unneeded, to say it like that. Especially regarding Plush it looks pretty disrespectful.
Plushy did it first. Once again I love Japanese fans, I think they are the best!
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