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    Russia Names 2014 Team for Europeans

    Russian Team for Euros announced:
    http://fsrussia.ru/news/1015_plyucsh...pionat-evropy/

    Men: M. Kovtun, S. Voronov, K. Menshov
    Alternates: A. Pitkeev, A. Gachinski

    Ladies: A. Sotnikova, J. Lipnitskaia, A. Leonova
    Alternates: A. Pogorilaya, N. Gosviani

    Pairs: Volosozhar/Trankov, Stolbova/Klimov, Bazarova/Larionov
    Alternates: Antipova/Maisurdaze, Davankova/Deputat

    Dance: Ilinykh/Katsalapov, Sinitsina/Zhiganshin, Riazanova/Tkachenko
    Alternates: Monko/Khaliavin, Stepanova/Bukin

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    Non Bobrova / Soloviev ?

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    Zhulin wants them to prepare for the Olympics, he declined the spot, so no B/S.

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    I can't believe Alena is going after 2 crappy season with very poor skates only because she had a good SP at nationals.
    Pogo must be devastated. It would make more sense to send even Liza (I mean she was forth at her GP events, even had a very good LP at her first one and was at least able to score over 110 in the LPs, something Alena didn't do for ages). And her LP at nationals would't score over 110 in an international competition.
    Bad choice, but good news for Adelina and Julia, since even if Alena beats them both at Euros, I am sure they would still make the Sochi team.

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    Ah, I was just in the process of starting a thread about the Russian team as well! Oh, well, I've edited my comment and copied it into this one:

    I was going to post this last week, but decided to hold off until Russian Nationals were finished, as there are enough threads in which people are speculating about who would be in the Russian Olympic team!

    When I visited the Team Russia 2014 website last week, the team page for Figure Skating was linking to the following skater profiles:

    Maxim Trankov/Tatiana Volosozhar
    Nikita Katsalapov/Elena Ilinykh
    Alexander Smirnov/Yuko Kawaguchi
    Alena Leonova
    Evgeni Plushenko
    Adelina Sotnikova
    Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

    So should we be reading something into this , or are these skaters just listed to keep the template in place?

    I suspect it might be just for the template, as there are too many Ladies listed for Sochi (3 instead of 2), and not enough listed for Pairs (2 instead of 3) and Dance (1 instead of 3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DobrinFan View Post
    Russian Team for Euros announced:
    http://fsrussia.ru/news/1015_plyucsh...pionat-evropy/

    Men: M. Kovtun, S. Voronov, K. Menshov
    Alternates: A. Pitkeev, A. Gachinski

    Ladies: A. Sotnikova, J. Lipnitskaia, A. Leonova
    Alternates: A. Pogorilaya, N. Gosviani

    Pairs: Volosozhar/Trankov, Stolbova/Klimov, Bazarova/Larionov
    Alternates: Antipova/Maisurdaze, Davankova/Deputat

    Dance: Ilinykh/Katsalapov, Sinitsina/Zhiganshin, Riazanova/Tkachenko
    Alternates: Monko/Khaliavin, Stepanova/Bukin
    Much as it pains me to say it (being a huge Liza fan, of course), on current form, Russia have definitely chosen the right people to go to Euros.

    And, apart from Bobrova/Soloviev coming in instead of one of the other Dance couples, I can't envisage any changes for Olympics/Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post

    When I visited the Team Russia 2014 website last week, the team page for Figure Skating was linking to the following skater profiles:

    Maxim Trankov/Tatiana Volosozhar
    Nikita Katsalapov/Elena Ilinykh
    Alexander Smirnov/Yuko Kawaguchi
    Alena Leonova
    Evgeni Plushenko
    Adelina Sotnikova
    Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

    So should we be reading something into this , or are these skaters just listed to keep the template in place?
    Your reading way too much into it. That page has looked liked that for a good while. Every time I go to that page, its the same profiles and has been that way for at least 2 years or so. Even look at how long the stories of Mishin, Mozer, and Tukt (flashing pics at the top) have been up on the main page, since Sept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DobrinFan View Post
    Your reading way too much into it. That page has looked liked that for a good while. Every time I go to that page, its the same profiles and has been that way for at least 2 years or so.
    I thought that too. As my pointed out in the bit I added while you were writing your reply, the numbers are all wrong for all categories except the Men's.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post
    I suspect it might be just for the template, as there are too many Ladies listed for Sochi (3 instead of 2), and not enough listed for Pairs (2 instead of 3) and Dance (1 instead of 3)
    But, I just wanted to play Devil's Advocate to see what the response would be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan View Post
    I thought that too. As my pointed out in the bit I added while you were writing your reply, the numbers are all wrong for all categories except the Men's.

    But, I just wanted to play Devil's Advocate to see what the response would be!

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    Uh huh

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    It becomes more and more strange in dance field…or more and more clean?

    I saw an article just few hours before where Europeand Team was announced (it was before final decision made by “Ispolkom“, who decided who would skate at Euros). And that article announced Bobrova & Soloviev.

    I also remember that after free skate Soloviev talked about some changes in free skate before Euros (so after free skate he still planned to skate at Euros).

    Then I find an article where Russian media announces that Bobrova & Soloviev were not chosen to the Euros team (to the letter it was written that they didn’t get in the Euros team).

    Then I found that some people in Russian forum pointed that Elena Vaitsechovskaya (a Russian journalist) mentions that Dima has a back injury again which was caused in the beginning of autumn when a car (without mark with number) with lights switched off knocked Dima.

    It is interesting that during whole competition Dima didn’t notice an injury.

    It is also interesting that few minutes ago during medal ceremony a commentator said that Federation chose not to send Bobrova & Soloviev to Euros and that Federation prefers to let them practise more (it is very logical that after clean skate they should practise more while Ilinykh after disaster in free skate needs to compete and not to practise more…).

    And in another Russian article… http://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/...radi-Olimpiadi
    …Gorshkov says that Bobrova will not be at Euros and that Zhulin will come with more detailed information.

    Zhulin was always a great tactician. He knows that Euros champions will have an advantage going to Sochi. And I am sure that he remembers very well what happened last year to Pechalat not competing at Euros. Pechalat came to Worlds while Bobrova was reigning European Champion and it was a big advantage of course. Yes, Pechalat made a mistakes in free dance but they were already sitting at fourth place behind Bobrova after short dance.

    I don’t believe that this idea comes from Zhulin’s head. I don’t believe that Zhulin would allowed this and without any fight give an advantage before Olympics into hands of Pechalat and Cappelini (and indirectly to Weaver & Poje as well).

    So…looking at facts…Bobrova & Soloviev were forced to change short dance at the end of August…then they were forced to change the music of free dance…then they were critised by Tarasova who pointed their mistakes (while in the same time Tarasova was praying for Ilinykh and was unhappy with them not getting to Final, while Ilinykh’s mistakes and low levels makes Tarasova restful )…and after clean performances and clear victory at Nationals Bobrova & Soloviev is not allowed to skate at Euros…it starts to be too much strange…
    …I hope that Bobrova will be allowed to skate at least at the Olympics and Worlds

    I don’t hesitate that both Zhulin and Federation will come with some “understandable reason“ but what else to say…

    But everything bad is good for something or somebody…
    Riazanova & Tkachenko must be happy with another chance to compete at Euros. If they beat Sinitsina & Zhiganshin there they will surely be named in the Olympic team.

    And the most happy ones are Ilinykh & Katsalapov. Their main national rivals are out of Euros which means that they will come to Budapest like the best Russian team. Russian Federation already showed them how much they wished to give them in Olympic team with inflated score after free dance. Federation always supported Ilinykh & Katsalapov and they showed that the supporting will continue no matter how their skating will look like (prognosticate Olympic gold to them since 2010). Ilinykh & Katsalapov have the best chance to win a medal at Euros without putting some real effort (I don’t count that even in bad dreams they could be beaten by Coomes, Guinard or Hurtado, and as to Riazanova and Sinitsina – Russian judges and Federation already showed where is the place of those teams in their eyes). And in the same times Federation gave Ilinykh & Katsalapov a great chance to repair their poor reputation after that disaster in free skate.

    The only thing which I like about the situation (personally)… Pechalat & Bourzat have a great chance to become European Champions again and come to Sochi like the main contenders for bronze, I would wish them to finish their career on such high level.

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    Honestly I think it has more to do with the Russian fed trying to give R/T one more opportunity to place higher than S/Z for that 3rd Olympic spot.

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    Did Plushenko personally decline his spot? it will hurt his WR I think...
    And, Leonova is a bad choice, I think: she's back and she's in good form, yes, but pogorilaya has had a better season so far and she skated better than alena in the FS at Nationals, the only "bombed" program was the SP at National

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Did Plushenko personally decline his spot? it will hurt his reputation I think...
    Yes, him and Mishin declined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Did Plushenko personally decline his spot? it will hurt his WR I think...
    And, Leonova is a bad choice, I think: she's back and she's in good form, yes, but pogorilaya has had a better season so far and she skated better than alena in the FS at Nationals, the only "bombed" program was the SP at National
    Leonova is not in 'that' great form. She still doesn't have her edge jumps sorted. She completely avoided Salchow; she did only one loop in the FS and none in the SP... She filled up her program with toe assisted jumps which gives her maximum of 5 jumps in the FS. So she will either have to risk doing loop or Salchow, or she will aim for 2 triples less than the others. Considering the level of competition, that could place her at best at 10 place and not better. At the nationals she got huge PCS; she is not going to get such a huge PCS at any international competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    Leonova is not in 'that' great form. She still doesn't have her edge jumps sorted. She completely avoided Salchow; she did only one loop in the FS and none in the SP... She filled up her program with toe assisted jumps which gives her maximum of 5 jumps in the FS. So she will either have to risk doing loop or Salchow, or she will aim for 2 triples less than the others. Considering the level of competition, that could place her at best at 10 place and not better. At the nationals she got huge PCS; she is not going to get such a huge PCS at any international competition.
    Well, her SP was 3T+3T and 3F when she won that phase of the competition at Worlds (in a weak field), so as long as she skates it clean there is no problem there, in the FS she landed 5 clean triples and in recent performances she landed some very good 3Lz (always with the "e", but it is no longer a strange flip), and during the morning practice she landed a beautiful 3S: she has all the jumps, she just has to land them, so I can say that she is "in good form". Still, Pogorilaya has more difficult programs right now and has better reputation, so she should be sent for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by DobrinFan View Post
    Yes, him and Mishin declined.
    That's not a good move if he expects to compete in Sochi. At the least he should have a skate off against Kovtun and even then Kovtun with a strong performance at Euros essentially seals his spot.

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