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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    ITA, especially about his flamenco SP. I just re-watched it ... he nails it right from the beginning. I only wish his FS suited him as well. Someone on the YouTube video of his Nationals FS said that, while the skating was excellent, the program itself was boring, and I'm inclined to agree.

    Maxim's made huge strides since placing 17th at Worlds last season. He didn't seem able to cope with the pressure a few months ago, but now, he looks ready to lead the new generation of Russian men. The fact that he beat Plushenko in Russia makes it clear that he's considered the future. And his quads, while not yet at Patrick or Yuzuru's level of sheer jaw-dropping awesomeness, are incredibly tight and fast in the air. Sometimes increasing technical difficulty on such short notice can lead to sloppy, as-long-as-you-land-'em jumps, so I'm beyond glad that Maxim doesn't have that problem.

    This pretty much sums up my view of Maxim: A rookie senior who made the podium at BOTH GP events and qualified for the GPF, in an OLYMPIC season? This guy's goin' places.
    Kovtuns quad toe is the definition of "sloppy as long as as he lands it" nobody does a worse one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Um, a lot of people in the planet care about edges and difficulty of choreography. The judges for one.

    And if you think certain people don't care about edges for the art of figure skating to be upheld, then why even bother with doing a variety of triple jumps as most spectators don't care if the skater landed a triple lutz or triple toe. Why bother with a variety of difficult spin positions? Why have 7 or 8 jumping passes when all you really need to show is that you can do a triple, a spin, and the rest of the program can be the "art of figure skating" that is so much more appealing than a program marred by so many spins and jumping passes and technical difficulty.

    Those edges that you see are nuances that people who really know the sport can appreciate. It is important for those who know the sport to understand and appreciate good skating even if the rest of the world thinks Bonaly should win because she did a backflip or Tobel should win because he's funny. We are the curators of our own sport and we shouldn't compromise difficulty for the sake of "watchability".

    And let's be real here... Plushenko's hip thrusts aren't actually meant to be interpretive or meant to relate to the program, they're gyrations that simply pander to the crowd. Which they certainly have done a good job of doing.
    Seniorita does have a point about plushenko doing hip thrusts twice but Joubert also did hip thrusts and if a skater does hip thrusts in a program and can be used to interpret whatever they think the music Is saying or what the theme is. You act like doing choreo that gets he crowd into it and gets woos or squeals is not choreo is ridiculous. Choreo is whatever skater/coach/choreographer says it is. I brought up nonsense moves because I don't feel a lot of Nichol zeuva skaters just keep moving with moves that don't make sense. Not that it's not choreo but I'd rather choreo with posing, hip thrusts, if it adds to the program.

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    Well well well it's a thread about Russian Men prospects and here comes the second page of discussion whether hip thrusts are legal. Maybe one of you gentlemen could rewatch Men's competition at Ru Nats 2014 and count the number of hip thrusts, and then figure how many are there per skater. You're going to be surprised

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    Quote Originally Posted by mielikki View Post
    and here comes the second page of discussion whether hip thrusts are legal.
    You say it's already the second page of discussion whether hip thrusts are legal.
    Can you find anyone in the last 2 pages having said hip thrusts were illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    You say it's already the second page of discussion whether hip thrusts are legal.
    Can you find anyone in the last 2 pages having said hip thrusts were illegal?
    Sorry, I used the wrong word. I should have said worth including. I thought my idea was comprehensible.
    Or maybe I didn't get the point of discussion at all, and it is somehow essential for the future of Russian Men then sorry again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mielikki View Post
    Sorry, I used the wrong word. I should have said worth including. I thought my idea was comprehensible.
    Or maybe I didn't get the point of discussion at all, and it is somehow essential for the future of Russian Men then sorry again.
    LOL I was nitpicking!

    I was actually enjoying watching this debate on the artistic value of Plushy's hip thrusts in silence for a few days, to be honest...
    Seems an obvious path: Russian Male Prospects -> Plushenko's Influence and Legacy -> Hip thrusts -> The future of Hip Thrusts in Russian Men's Skating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    LOL I was nitpicking!

    I was actually enjoying watching this debate on the artistic value of Plushy's hip thrusts in silence for a few days, to be honest...
    Seems an obvious path: Russian Male Prospects -> Plushenko's Influence and Legacy -> Hip thrusts -> The future of Hip Thrusts in Russian Men's Skating
    Imagine Pitkeev standing in the choreo class in front of the mirror and saying
    To be, or not to be: that is the question:
    Whether 'tis nobler to show them edges
    And turns to wow faultfinding judges,
    Or thrust my hips and thus express theatrics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Yes, but those things are not what I criticized, so you should respond to what I actually wrote. And, furthermore, those things are appreciated more as part of a whole package. There's a reason why there isn't an Olympic competition just for "best edges" (aka figures). Just as there's a reason why there isn't an Olympic competition for who can tie shoelaces the quickest. A sport is only relevant if it measures something considered worthwhile. There are a lot of things to do in life and watching or participating in convoluted skating is not on peoples' lists.
    Figures showcasing control and ability to consistently trace edges is pretty darn different from showing a variety of difficult turns and edges throughout a program. Anyone with a basic understanding of figure skating knows this.

    As for "a sport being relevant if you can measure something worthwhile", then how can the expressive/artistic/emotionally subjective aspects of skating be relevant if they cannot be measured?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    You say it's already the second page of discussion whether hip thrusts are legal.
    Can you find anyone in the last 2 pages having said hip thrusts were illegal?
    Well they could be illegal depending what exactly is going on with those t hrsts.

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    Hip thrusts aren't common at all and rarely ever done by anyone but csg keeps bringing them up like its the only thing plushenko has done throughout his career and not only that its the standard of choreo in Russia or symbolizes the standard of choreo in Russia and it doesn't and I don't get it but I also don't understand why it's so despised as a choreo move! It's true and I have said basically all skating people in Russia need to study and copy nichol to see what's most likely to get cop points. Pcs has been a problem with Russian men since plushenko left even if they have jumps but there's never been just a focus on jumps.

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