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Thread: Can Gracie Gold finally win US Nationals ?

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    Possible? Yes. Likely? No. Gracie has not proven herself to be a consistent competitor. And with the coaching and program changes, she is basically starting all over again this season. Her goal should be to make the team. Her future is very bright but there is no need to rush it. After Sochi, the field will be pretty wide open at the international level. Then, with the spotlight off, she can make winning Nationals and making the World podium her goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    she blew it by bombing on the international circuit. She was terrible at the US International Classic and on the Grand Prix circuit (...)
    This is a skater who has NEVER won a senior-level competition, not even a low-level summer competition like Skate Detroit. Her biggest accomplishment is finishing a mediocre sixth at Worlds. And, for all the hype over her jumps, she cannot land them in competition.
    So, no, I don’t think she will win Nationals, or any event, because she has ZERO jump consistency. The judges don’t care about her bad programs. She’d receive fabulous scores if she was able to land her jumps. But, outside of one junior season, she’s never been able to land her jumps when it counts.
    In fact, I am thinking that Gracie will deliver one of her terrible three-triple long programs, and be held up by the National judges. She's done nothing to deserve making the Olympic team over another skater who delivers a better performance at Nationals. Her results are terrible. But she has the IMG hype machine behind her, and that has gotten her endorsement deals and will probably get her onto the Olympic team, even if she doesn't deserve the spot.
    Gosh, did she steal your lunchbox in Kindergarten or something?

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    ^^To be honest everything Selene said was true to a certain extent. I guess she just could've said it a little nicer

    After all the hype that preceded Gracie entering the senior level, I think most people were expecting her to do what Julia has done these last two seasons. Julia medaled at both of her events last season and made the Final; she had to withdraw but she still qualified. This year she won gold at both of her events and came in second at the Final. She has a very good shot at making it to the podium in Sochi and her name is always in the mix when you're talking about the top ladies in the sport now. Based on all of the hype and excitement about Gracie, I expected her to be in the same position as Julia heading into Sochi.

    To say this is only Gracie's second-year on the GP, she's actually done pretty well: 7th, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. To be honest that's a great record for a second year senior. The problem is it falls tragically short of the expectations most people had for her. Gracie was touted as the strongest US lady, the savior, the one who would put the US ladies on the map. It has not turned out that way. I do think it's very unfair (and stupid) that people put that kind of pressure on her before she even debuted at the senior level, but the point is it happened. So next to those lofty expectations, what she's accomplished so far is actually a bit of a disappointment because people were expecting her to be a lot more successful than she is.

    I do think Gracie's time is yet to come. She is still learning who she is as a skater, she's still learning to compete and she's going to need time. She has the talent, that's for sure. She just needs time.

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    Well, Kwan was quoted as saying she thinks Frank will get Gracie where she wants to go, which is the top. I hope Ashley wins by a lot this year so she feels great going to Sochi. And I hope Grace and Samantha skate great and round out the team.

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    I'm interested to see if Mirai has made any progress working with Mura for the last couple of weeks. She rotated all of her triples at COR; if she does that at nationals, and can manage to show a few signs of life in her performance, I can't see them keeping her off the team. But if Mirai and Agnes do what they've been doing for most of the season (flub) and Samantha manages to skate cleanly, I really hope they give it to her because she's been pretty steady all season long...plus I just love her programs!

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    Let's look at ASHLEY's accomplishments in her first two years as a senior.

    Grand Prix:
    2007-2008: 5th, 3rd
    2008-2009: 4th, 4th

    Ashley didn't win her first GP event until 2012.

    JW 2007: 3rd
    Worlds 2008: 16th
    JW 2009: 3rd

    Compare this to Gracie's record:

    Grand Prix
    2012-2013: 7th, 2nd
    2013-2014: 3rd, 4th

    JW 2012: 2nd
    Worlds 2013: 6th

    IMO, Gracie's end-of-season record in her first two seasons looks a lot better than Ashley's, and her GP record is quite similar. So I don't get why Gracie is being dumped on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    I'm interested to see if Mirai has made any progress working with Mura for the last couple of weeks. She rotated all of her triples at COR; if she does that at nationals, and can manage to show a few signs of life in her performance, I can't see them keeping her off the team. But if Mirai and Agnes do what they've been doing for most of the season (flub) and Samantha manages to skate cleanly, I really hope they give it to her because she's been pretty steady all season long...plus I just love her programs!
    I agree. I have been curious about Mirai's progress training in Japan. She posted pics from Japanese Nationals. I am hoping that the level of competition inspired her. I am really excited to watch how she does at Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    But if Mirai and Agnes do what they've been doing for most of the season (flub) and Samantha manages to skate cleanly, I really hope they give it to her
    Don't forget about Christina Gao! She's had a rough patch with consistency this year, but I could totally picture her staying clean and getting on that podium. She finished 5th at the last 4 US Champs in a row! When she's clean, she's a delight to watch and I'm crossing my fingers for her. Especially with her SP to "Close without touching", she reminds me a lot of Chen Lu or Michelle Kwan (... or Karen Kwan, who skated to that same music!)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHY1LTXzWZs

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Based on the last 2 Nationals I expect Agnes to be placed into 3rd and thus on the team if she executes a clean short and atleast 4 clean triples in the long, regardless what Mira or Samantha (or any other prospective contender) does.
    If Mirai or Samantha manage to perform better than Agnes she should not be on the team. She's had way too much time to get herself together over the last three years and at this point, she hasn't done anything to earn a trip to Sochi or deserve the judges' favor over anyone else, especially somebody who has out-skated her all season. I'll be really really pissed if they hold her up and put her on the team this year. The only way she should make it on that team is if she actually earns her way on the team. I don't know how much longer the USFSA thinks they can hold onto Agnes, but at this point there are too many talented skaters who have the ability to skate better.

    Agnes' time is up. Deliver or get the hell out of the way...

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    IA kwanatic... Cesario is a great performer. But does she have enough tech arsenal do you think?

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    I think Gracie CAN win nationals, but I don't know how likely that is. I think she might have won last year had she not fallen in the SP and found herself so far behind Ashley to begin with. Also, she faced a lot of pressure last year (even if it is a different type of pressure than she will face this year) and came out with a silver medal, which is pretty darn good for your first senior nationals. On some level, Ashley and Gracie probably know they're the favorites to make the team and that has to make it slightly (emphasis on "slightly") easier. I'm also interested to see how working with Frank Carroll is treating Gracie, since she has now had an extra month and a half or so since we last saw her compete. I'm guessing Ashley and Gracie will be the top 2. Regardless, I hope all of the ladies skate well and let the best three continue on to Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sochi_2014 View Post
    Everything you have stated is overly exaggerated. First off, since when is a bronze medal at Skate Canada and a 4th place finish at NHK considered "bombing on the Grand Prix circuit"
    as you have stated? Second, since when is finishing 6th at your first senior Worlds considered "mediocre"? Third, you say that outside of her junior Nationals title that she's never managed to skate well when it counted... Does last year at Nationals ring a bell? Gracie skated lights out and won the long. She pulled herself all the way up to 2nd place from 9th place after the short. You might wanna just do a quick Google search before you state incorrect information. It's clear that you don't like Gracie, but there's no need to downplay her accomplishments. Although in all likelihood I do believe Wagner will defend her title again at Nationals, I do think you should respect Gracie on her efforts.
    I agree with all of this. She did help the US get that third spot back, so I consider that skating well when it counted. I think she really just needs more experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
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    Thanks! I've been a visitor for years and with the Olympics coming up, why not join the discussion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    Gosh, did she steal your lunchbox in Kindergarten or something?


    I understand that Gracie still needs to improve in certain areas, but I'll never understand the personal dislike that some skating fans seem to harbor for her. Even if everything Selene said was objectively accurate (a "mediocre" sixth at Worlds? In her first senior season? Really?), Gracie shouldn't have to take the heat for what the hype machine has created -- impossible expectations. As a second-year senior, she's had decent results from every angle.

    Call me a fool, but I'm hoping she'll give two fantastic skates at Nationals and silence the doubters. In the end, I don't know if Gracie can overtake Ashley. I guess we'll see next weekend.

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