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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I like the new short more than the old short also. There is still something that strikes me as awkward about her arms, almost like they fling around as she moves her body rather than being under control. But if she skates this clean next weekend only Ashley can beat it.
    If Gracie is actually to win Nationals (could happen, probably won't), Ashley must beat her in the SP -- otherwise, the pressure of skating last in the FS will mess with her head, and she'll have an epic meltdown in front of everyone. It's a pretty stressful position to be in, since you know how all of your competitors performed and are mentally tallying points, trying to see where you can or can't make a mistake. Even Yuna Kim admitted to being nervous as the last to skate in the 2013 Worlds FS.

    Edit: Yes, I'm still a big Gracie fan. I'm just trying to be realistic here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post


    I understand that Gracie still needs to improve in certain areas, but I'll never understand the personal dislike that some skating fans seem to harbor for her. Even if everything Selene said was objectively accurate (a "mediocre" sixth at Worlds? In her first senior season? Really?), Gracie shouldn't have to take the heat for what the hype machine has created -- impossible expectations. As a second-year senior, she's had decent results from every angle.

    Call me a fool, but I'm hoping she'll give two fantastic skates at Nationals and silence the doubters. In the end, I don't know if Gracie can overtake Ashley. I guess we'll see next weekend.
    I admit that calling Gracie’s results “terrible” was an overstatement. But her results have been very mediocre. She has yet to deliver two clean programs in one senior competition or show any sort of consistency in her performances.

    Given the hype the IMG team behind her has generated about her being the future of American figure skating (you are naive if you don't believe her team has had an active role is creating the hype that surrounds her,) I have been very underwhelmed by her – from her programs to her lack of jump consistency. At this point, I consider her to be another Agnes Zawadzki – a skater who doesn’t have the jump consistency necessary to be a podium contender at the international level.

    She’s had two seasons of skating at the senior level, and she’s still regularly delivering long programs where she only lands three or four triple jumps. So, at this point, I think it’s unlikely that she’s going to magically develop the sort of jump consistency necessary to be a champion.

    I also don’t think she’s accomplished enough to justify being held up by the judges at US Nationals (like Ashley was last season.) If she delivers her usual underwhelming long program (three or four triples,) I don’t want to see her make the Olympic team over skaters that land six or seven triples in their long programs at US Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    I admit that calling Gracie’s results “terrible” was an overstatement. But her results have been very mediocre. She has yet to deliver two clean programs in one senior competition or show any sort of consistency in her performances.

    Given the hype the IMG team behind her has generated about her being the future of American figure skating (you are naive if you don't believe her team has had an active role is creating the hype that surrounds her,) I have been very underwhelmed by her – from her programs to her lack of jump consistency. At this point, I consider her to be another Agnes Zawadzki – a skater who doesn’t have the jump consistency necessary to be a podium contender at the international level.

    She’s had two seasons of skating at the senior level, and she’s still regularly delivering long programs where she only lands three or four triple jumps. So, at this point, I think it’s unlikely that she’s going to magically develop the sort of jump consistency necessary to be a champion.

    I also don’t think she’s accomplished enough to justify being held up by the judges at US Nationals (like Ashley was last season.) If she delivers her usual underwhelming long program (three or four triples,) I don’t want to see her make the Olympic team over skaters that land six or seven triples in their long programs at US Nationals.
    I'm going to take a moment and break my usual policy of not commenting on the boards. /end disclaimer.

    It's definitely OK to voice criticisms of Gracie or any other skater. However, you have been quite extreme in your critical posts and, quite frankly, been a broken record. It seems that no matter what she does she is "terrible" or "mediocre" to you.

    I have been more prone to not take your posts seriously because it's "same crap, different day." And that's at best. At worst, you come off as a bitter hater.

    Back to your post at hand. I don't agree with your point that she's underperforming to her full potential means "she's unlikely going to magically develop the sort of jump consistency necessary to be a champion." Based on your career assessment, that Jason Brown is doomed in his career because he took 3.5 years to learn the 3A and continues to work away at making two 3As consistent in his FS. Or that Ashely Wagner shouldn't have bothered to compete after 2011 due to her tendency to bomb the SP, which lasted for several years. And Ashley won U.S. Nationals (and 4CC) with a lovely 7-triple FS in 2012, on her fifth try. So yeah...these expectations that people should click immediately is .

    Also comparing her to Agnes Zawadzki isn't even accurate. She isn't Agnes because 1.) She had made the World team on her first try (which Agnes didn't do) 2.) She got a a GP medal in her first season (Agnes took three seasons to do so) and 3.) Her PB is 22 points higher. FWIW, her PB is the 18th highest among all women since the new scoring system was implemented.

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    Pls Gracie has medaled in 2 out her 4 GP events
    her 3rd place finish score at 2013 SC would have been enough for her to medal in NHK or win at CoC even with mistakes and her score
    she came in 6th in her Worlds debut, No doubt she will be in the podium in the coming years

    I suspect Wagner will bring into the pressure and make a lot of mistakes
    Gracie will have less to worry about Nationals unlike Wagner whose steam has been losing since the GPF

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Pls Gracie has medaled in 3 out her 4 GP events
    her 3rd place finish score at 2013 SC would have been enough for her to medal in NHK or win at CoR even with mistakes and her score
    she came in 6th in her Worlds debut, No doubt she will be in the podium in the coming years

    I suspect Wagner will bring into the pressure and make a lot of mistakes
    Gracie will have less to worry about Nationals unlike Wagner whose steam has been losing since the GPF
    No, she's 50/50 on events. Medaled at one, OTP at the other last two seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Gracie will have less to worry about Nationals unlike Wagner whose steam has been losing since the GPF
    I wasn't aware that there were any other competitions she competed in after the GPF but before Nationals that would lead you to believe this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    I wasn't aware that there were any other competitions she competed in after the GPF but before Nationals that would lead you to believe this.
    she wouldnt even have made the podium at the GPF had Elena not fallen in the FS
    and most certainly thanks to Sotnikova headcasing in the FS

    this is typical Wagner losing steam at the middle of the season
    it will be wise for the USFS to support and propp Gracie as the No.1 lady for Sochi
    if Gracie will go clean she must have higher PCS than Wagner at Nationals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    No, she's 50/50 on events. Medaled at one, OTP at the other last two seasons.
    yes you're right I mistyped
    also I meant CoC her scores would have won her the event not CoR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I'm going to take a moment and break my usual policy of not commenting on the boards. /end disclaimer.

    It's definitely OK to voice criticisms of Gracie or any other skater. However, you have been quite extreme in your critical posts and, quite frankly, been a broken record. It seems that no matter what she does she is "terrible" or "mediocre" to you.

    I have been more prone to not take your posts seriously because it's "same crap, different day." And that's at best. At worst, you come off as a bitter hater.

    Back to your post at hand. I don't agree with your point that she's underperforming to her full potential means "she's unlikely going to magically develop the sort of jump consistency necessary to be a champion." Based on your career assessment, that Jason Brown is doomed in his career because he took 3.5 years to learn the 3A and continues to work away at making two 3As consistent in his FS. Or that Ashely Wagner shouldn't have bothered to compete after 2011 due to her tendency to bomb the SP, which lasted for several years. And Ashley won U.S. Nationals (and 4CC) with a lovely 7-triple FS in 2012, on her fifth try. So yeah...these expectations that people should click immediately is .

    Also comparing her to Agnes Zawadzki isn't even accurate. She isn't Agnes because 1.) She had made the World team on her first try (which Agnes didn't do) 2.) She got a a GP medal in her first season (Agnes took three seasons to do so) and 3.) Her PB is 22 points higher. FWIW, her PB is the 18th highest among all women since the new scoring system was implemented.


    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    she wouldnt even have made the podium at the GPF had Elena not fallen in the FS
    and most certainly thanks to Sotnikova headcasing in the FS
    It's no longer only being a headcase, now one - well, Sotnikova for you - does headcase.
    Headcase is now a verb, and an action. Like I make a sandwich, it's also I headcase.
    It's so confusing, yet enriching for my level of English

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    It's no longer only being a headcase, now one - well, Sotnikova for you - does headcase.
    Headcase is now a verb, and an action. Like I make a sandwich, it's also I headcase.
    It's so confusing, yet enriching for my level of English
    English is an evolving language and yes, we do verb nouns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    English is an evolving language and yes, we do verb nouns.
    I know, I'm just amazed at the success story of the word headcase and its biggest lobbyist

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    Gracie will take inspiration from Suzuki and finally have the skate of her life at Nationals. She will be clean and score big, north of 200 points (US Nationals inflation of course).

    Disclaimer: I do not own a crystal ball. This is just a wild guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Pls Gracie has medaled in 2 out her 4 GP events
    her 3rd place finish score at 2013 SC would have been enough for her to medal in NHK or win at CoC even with mistakes and her score
    she came in 6th in her Worlds debut, No doubt she will be in the podium in the coming years

    I suspect Wagner will bring into the pressure and make a lot of mistakes
    Gracie will have less to worry about Nationals unlike Wagner whose steam has been losing since the GPF
    gracie is basically a headcase right now, and will be an even bigger headcase at the olys if she goes in as US champion. ashley will still be a bigger threat for a medal because she is a better overall skater and has better packaging, but her reputation will probably have gone down some amount because after two years of being US champion she is now going in the silver medalist, and she doesn't have all that momentum built up anymore. but really...this situation is not ideal for the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    I admit that calling Gracie’s results “terrible” was an overstatement. But her results have been very mediocre. She has yet to deliver two clean programs in one senior competition or show any sort of consistency in her performances.
    Even Yuna Kim has said herself that she has only ever skated in two competitions where she has had a clean short and long program. 2010 Olympics & 2013 Worlds. So let's not nitpick Gracie about not doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    yes you're right I mistyped
    also I meant CoC her scores would have won her the event not CoR
    Actually, you're wrong... only Gold's Skate Canada score would have won her CoC... her NHK score would have still placed her 2nd at CoC.

    Either of Wagner's GP scores, however, would have EASILY beaten the field at CoC.

    And frankly, if you're going to promote how good or how much of a threat Gold is, your argument probably shouldn't be: "Gold totally could have won the CoC event where the field was mediocre! It was just her bad luck that she had to skate at more competitive events."

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