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    DANCE - Standings after the ORIGINAL DANCE

    1. Navka/Kostomarov (RUS)
    2. Grushina/Gontcharov (UKR)
    3. Denkova/Stavijski (BUL)
    4. Delobel/Schönfelder (FRA)
    5. Chait/Sakhnovsky (ISR)
    6. Faiella/Scali (ITA)
    7. Domnina/Shabalin (RUS)
    8. Kulikova/Novikov (RUS)
    9. Gudina/Beletski (ISR)
    10. Hoffmann/Elek (HUN)

    here ist the link:
    Original Dance:
    http://www.isufs.org/results/ec2004/seg012.htm

    Overal Standings before the Free Skate:
    http://www.isufs.org/results/ec2004/cat004.htm

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    I HATE INTERRIM SYSTEM!!!!!!!! I WANT CoP NOW!

    OK, now that I got that off my chest:\
    D&S's scores are clearly higher than G&G's. If you add up all marks, G&G have 71.3/79.2, while D&S have 78.2/79.7. Now, don't get me wrong, I actually really like G&G and wouldn't mind them getting the silver instead of D&S, but his is ridiculous...

    P.S. Before someone jumps at me, let me say that I know, marks in and of themsleves don't matter under the ordinal system, and this calculating of marks is most pointless. I know. Howeve, in this case the technical mark is NOT EVEN CLOSE. G&G's marks range from 5.1 to 5.6; D&S's range from 5.3 to 5.8. AND on presentation, though it's close, D&S's marks are generally higher.

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    Is it me or are Chait and Sakhnovsky consistently undermarked? I obviously haven't seent the competition, but I find it hard to believe that they skated to a 4.8 technical mark; and their pres marks range from 5.0 to 5.8. I think there was so much bru-ha-ha after their 2002 bronze, that the judges are somewhat overcompensating now. IMO, they have fine programs this season.
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    Tho I'm not especially thrilled with the overall results, at this point, I must say, it's good to see some PLACEMENT SHIFTING and I hope it continues. I am getting so tired of dance competitions where the Compulsury-OD-Free Dance placements at the end of the day run 1-1-1, 2-2-2, 3-3-3, 4-4-4, and so on. Tho what surprises me is that there actually hasn't been any so far from 4th to 7th, and this is a very evenly matched group of couples.

    Ptichka, I've been wondering about the Chait/Sakhnovsky placings the last couple of seasons myself, and you and I seem to share the same theory about the "fallout" from their 2002 World Bronze. The judges now seem scared to put them anywhere near medal contention. It's rather ironic; I would have thought that if anyone had gotten negative fallout from that whole bronze medal/petition incident at 02 Worlds, it would have been Denkova/Staviyisky.

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    Originally posted by JonnyCoop
    It's rather ironic; I would have thought that if anyone had gotten negative fallout from that whole bronze medal/petition incident at 02 Worlds, it would have been Denkova/Staviyisky.
    According to posters at FSU, because Den/Sta are in third after the CD and OD, N/K will win, even if Den/Sta win the FD. I would say that could be negative fallout.

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    Originally posted by hockeyfan228
    According to posters at FSU, because Den/Sta are in third after the CD and OD, N/K will win, even if Den/Sta win the FD. I would say that could be negative fallout.
    Possibly so, but if it is, then it's still not fallout to the magnitude I was expecting after the 02 Worlds -- since then, D & S have won a few GP competitions and medals at European and Worlds, as opposed to being left off podiums and 1st place wins entirely as I was originally expecting. Tho I think Navka & Kostamorov will win anyway. I always got the feeling the judges were itching to elevate them to the top at first available opportunity.

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    Originally posted by JonnyCoop
    Possibly so, but if it is, then it's still not fallout to the magnitude I was expecting after the 02 Worlds -- since then, D & S have won a few GP competitions and medals at European and Worlds, as opposed to being left off podiums and 1st place wins entirely as I was originally expecting.
    The only thing Den/Sta beat N/K in all year was a single FD, and that margin wasn't enough to make up for N/K's cumulative lead in the CD and OD. I'd say leaving the target so near, and then pulling it away as they get close, is worse than miring them in fifth.

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    If this had any relation to "punishing" D&S for 2002 Worlds, it would have been most pronounced last year, and last year D&S where consistently placed ahead of N&K, whith G&G being seriously in that mix as well. Also, Tatiana Navka's role in the petition was very porminent as well; though I do understand that it is difficult to "punish" a Russian pair, especially one that is currently that country's leading team.

    According to posters at FSU, because Den/Sta are in third after the CD and OD, N/K will win, even if Den/Sta win the FD. I would say that could be negative fallout
    Yes, for D&S (or G&G) to win, N&K must be 3d or lower. Assume that D&S win FS. We then get:
    N&K: 1*0.20 + 1*0.30 + 2*0.5 = 1.5
    D&S: 2*0.20 + 3*0.30 + 1*0.5 = 1.8
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    D/S had a small error

    Just saw this article and apparently Albena said that she was disppointed that they made an error in one of their steps sequences: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/FigureSkat...334845-ap.html
    So I'm sure the 3rd place in the OD was justified. I also think that this portion of the competition is their weakest. IIRC one of them said that they weren't too fond of these rhythms - although I do like their blues section. I hope they skate well in the FD.

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    Thanks for that article. Hmm, D/S probably weren't to lucky with the music choice for OD & CD, both rhythms seem to suit N/K much more.

    Here is a link to the starting order for the Free skate - D/S and N/K will skate last
    http://www.isufs.org/results/ec2004/seg013.htm

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    Re: D/S had a small error

    Originally posted by hrmsk8ngnutt
    Just saw this article and apparently Albena said that she was disppointed that they made an error in one of their steps sequences: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/FigureSkat...334845-ap.html
    So I'm sure the 3rd place in the OD was justified.
    But how does the rest of the program compare to G/G's? Are G/G as equally matched as Den/Sta? Are their edges as deep? Are they as fast? Did that one mistake negate all of Den/Sta's overall advantage in difficulty, edging, and speed?

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    More inconsistent judging -- Denkova & Staviyisky have a minor error and drop down behind Grushina & Goncharov, whereas Deloebel & Schoenfelder had a fall on a twizzle (a much more blatant error by the sound of things) yet still maintained position ahead of Chait/Sakhnovsky. Go figure.

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    But G&G have one of the best ODs actually and watching it gave me the impression they skated it very well. D&S of France probably have the most difficult OD , and it could have pulled them up a place, so I think Denkova and Staviskiy were a bit lucky in the OD with the mistake they did.The whole tempo doesn't suit them and their swing part is really weak imo.G&G were more in the mood of the OD and that helped them move up at that point.

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