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    Akiko: Mom, my best performance ever got a bunch of dislikes and nasty comments on youtube!

    Mom: Wow, congratulations, sweetie!

    Akiko: ???

    Mom: You finally made it to the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puchi View Post
    Akiko: Mom, my best performance ever got a bunch of dislikes and nasty comments on youtube!

    Mom: Wow, congratulations, sweetie!

    Akiko: ???

    Mom: You finally made it to the top.


    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post

    Well, Caro didn't skate bad at 2008 Worlds AT ALL! She wasn't perfect, but she landed a clean and difficult 3-3 in both programs, didn't fall/pop and made only a couple of major mistakes
    And, Patrick's gold in 2011 was obtained with two almost-perfect programs, with only one mistakes out of 11 jumps
    Caro's 2010 Worlds weren't exactly terrible either. She wasn't the greatest, but she wasn't terrible by any means. And her 2010 Olympics FS has been removed from YouTube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puchi View Post
    Akiko: Mom, my best performance ever got a bunch of dislikes and nasty comments on youtube!

    Mom: Wow, congratulations, sweetie!

    Akiko: ???

    Mom: You finally made it to the top.
    lol I died from laughter, so I'm more of fan than a fanatic, I don't go and put my favorite skaters on a pedestal and trash on all the other skaters, I know my favs have imperfections and have off days but don't go on Youtube and trash about other skaters to make he or she look better.

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    Hmmm, if you are expecting serious fans to comment on your favorite skater on a public forum such as Youtube, then you must realize not everyone commenting there is a figure skating fan for starters. They may no nothing about figure skating. It would be like me trying to give favorable comments about a hockey player or game. My knowledge of hockey is pretty limited. I don't read the comments people make on youtube about any entertainer or skater and if I do I ignore the ignorant ones. Just enjoy watching your favorite skater and don't take youtube comments too seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater View Post
    Hmmm, if you are expecting serious fans to comment on your favorite skater on a public forum such as Youtube, then you must realize not everyone commenting there is a figure skating fan for starters. They may no nothing about figure skating. It would be like me trying to give favorable comments about a hockey player or game. My knowledge of hockey is pretty limited. I don't read the comments people make on youtube about any entertainer or skater and if I do I ignore the ignorant ones. Just enjoy watching your favorite skater and don't take youtube comments too seriously.
    I see what you're saying, but to play devil's advocate: It is very unlikely that a non-fan would check a figure skating video. As Doris has posted in the past the top viewed figure skating video is Starr Andrews (good luck to her at Nationals. ) skating to "I Whip My Hair" and one involving a costume malfunction.

    There is no reason for Akiko Suzuki's Japanese Nationals video to be viewed by a nonfan or the public. At 295k views, it's hardly gone viral. So I don't think it's a stretch to say the majority of people commenting are fans of either 1.) a certain skater or 2.) skating in general.

    But your'e right, it's not worth getting worked up over the dislikes...but I wanted to point out it's a bit disheartening to see, as Frenchie pointed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightphoton View Post
    I know that's not what you were expecting.

    However, I would say on the nice <---------> mean scale, someone disliking a video is somewhat less mean than accusing that same person with "trying to get to" someone or whacking knees.

    Besides, what does Akiko care? She's the reigning Japanese champ, and one of the favorites to medal in Sochi. I think you're being a little silly to think she'd be fazed by what someone on Youtube says.
    Have you read the comments? It full of hate speech calling her appearance not her skating ugly, whether Akiko care or not it is still horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treeloving View Post
    Have you read the comments? It full of hate speech calling her appearance not her skating ugly, whether Akiko care or not it is still horrible.
    I agree that they are malicious imbeciles, and ought to be publicly shamed, if that were possible.

    The unfortunate thing about Youtube, though, is that it's not only anonymous, but there is very little community or moderating, it appears to me. It's the perfect environment for trolling, in other words.

    It's like complaining about elevated crime in densely populated urban areas, where people don't know or care about passers-by, and the police are almost never visible.

    Caveat emptor. And let's try not to recapitulate Youtube's faults in our cozier community on GS, over which we collectively have a greater capacity to direct and influence.

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    looks like Yuna's FS has considerable dislikes too : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLsNGUOdzag
    so Mao and Suzuki arent the only ones, maybe payback from their fans for Suzuki's and Mao dislikes

    most common word: dirty jap money, hater

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    looks like Yuna's FS has considerable dislikes too : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLsNGUOdzag
    so Mao and Suzuki arent the only ones, maybe payback from their fans for Suzuki's and Mao dislikes

    most common word: dirty jap money, hater
    For the most part it's "the cost of doing business" but it still riles me up when someone like that /\ uses YuNa as his/her's avatar. It's offensive in the extreme to have someone associate such a humanitarian or any person of good character with such tribal ugliness.

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    Most of the awful comments under YuNa's FS are from the Koreans. I guess they will never like Mao, nor any other skater. These fans make YuNa look bad. No wonder she has a huge entourage, body guard flotilla. Unhinged fanatics must chase her everywhere. It is too bad she broke with Orser, or the mother more accurately. Canada was clearly a place where she was free to be herself, and skated her best years. I am shocked, but then when I see the behavior of the "mob" on GS and how pushy...I guess nothing surprises me. Perhaps it is for the best the retirements coming soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Most of the awful comments under YuNa's FS are from the Koreans. I guess they will never like Mao, nor any other skater. These fans make YuNa look bad. No wonder she has a huge entourage, body guard flotilla. Unhinged fanatics must chase her everywhere. It is too bad she broke with Orser, or the mother more accurately. Canada was clearly a place where she was free to be herself, and skated her best years. I am shocked, but then when I see the behavior of the "mob" on GS and how pushy...I guess nothing surprises me. Perhaps it is for the best the retirements coming soon.
    with so many comments with the word "jap" under Yuna's FS
    I think its more of an ethnic slur

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Most of the awful comments under YuNa's FS are from the Koreans. I guess they will never like Mao, nor any other skater. These fans make YuNa look bad. No wonder she has a huge entourage, body guard flotilla. Unhinged fanatics must chase her everywhere. It is too bad she broke with Orser, or the mother more accurately. Canada was clearly a place where she was free to be herself, and skated her best years. I am shocked, but then when I see the behavior of the "mob" on GS and how pushy...I guess nothing surprises me. Perhaps it is for the best the retirements coming soon.
    now we are "the mob" here in goldenskate..we've been accused as bullies.. ubers.. stupid.. by you.. and yet here you are again.. generalizing everything..

    i don't know why some are tolerating this kind of behavior..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper View Post
    now we are "the mob" here in goldenskate..we've been accused as bullies.. ubers.. stupid.. by you.. and yet here you are again.. generalizing everything..

    i don't know why some are tolerating this kind of behavior..
    Well I think you, YunaBliss, and Krislite in particular are very classy and never nasty about other skaters. If that makes you feel any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Most of the awful comments under YuNa's FS are from the Koreans. I guess they will never like Mao, nor any other skater. These fans make YuNa look bad. No wonder she has a huge entourage, body guard flotilla. Unhinged fanatics must chase her everywhere. It is too bad she broke with Orser, or the mother more accurately. Canada was clearly a place where she was free to be herself, and skated her best years. I am shocked, but then when I see the behavior of the "mob" on GS and how pushy...I guess nothing surprises me. Perhaps it is for the best the retirements coming soon.
    Not all Yuna fans are like that, and those nasty comments are not by real figure skating fans, but those who just go around looking for fights. As a Korean, I'm very ashamed of those people, but it's probably because of the Korean press, they just bring every nasty and stupid things Japanese press and journalists have said about Yuna and publish them as articles. Anyway there are tons of Japanese saying bad things about Yuna too, so don't say like we Koreans are all ill-mannered people, it's starting to irritate me. At least here at GS, I've never seen anyone that inappropriate. Have you ever thought about your posts and comments carefully? To me they are wayyyy more pushy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewels View Post
    Not all Yuna fans are like that, and those nasty comments are not by real figure skating fans, but those who just go around looking for fights. As a Korean, I'm very ashamed of those people, but it's probably because of the Korean press, they just bring every nasty and stupid things Japanese press and journalists have said about Yuna and publish them as articles. Anyway there are tons of Japanese saying bad things about Yuna too, so don't say like we Koreans are all ill-mannered people, it's starting to irritate me. At least here at GS, I've never seen anyone that inappropriate. Have you ever thought about your posts and comments carefully? To me they are wayyyy more pushy.
    Hi Jewels!
    When I started this thread, I was honestly curious as to why the Yu-Na - Mao rivaly had gotten such a negative spin over the years. (for some, not for all)
    I know that noone should generalize. I'm both French and German, so I know about historically based animosity between 2 countries. Since you are Korean, would you mind telling a bit about your take on the role the media play in all this? Any Korean or Japanese member is encouraged to add their 2 cents - as long as we can agree to be civil.
    I know there are "serious media" and "tabloids". That's the same everywhere. Would you say that, in Korea,
    a) Serious Media (news on big tv channel, big newspaper,...) are very much goading the viewers, like what I'd consider a tabloid would be doing in Europe?
    b) Tabloids have more impact on the population, even if the serious media are more politically correct and cautious about not fuelling resentment?
    c) both!
    d) none of the above!
    Same question for Japan.

    I'd say it's politically correct for the French not to think or say hateful things directed towards the Germans. The media are playing their part in not fuelling any such thoughts. I don't know how much insight you as a Korean have into European media and so on, but if you can compare, would you say the media in Korea and Japan don't feel they should try and contribute to peacening the relations between both countries as much? Is fuelling said animosity just viewed as an easy, reliable way to get big viewing figures?

    I realize this subject can be explosive. I regretted ever posting this thread after a few days since all I wanted to say was pretty much "I'm sad for seeing Akiko Suzuki's JN LP have 700 likes and 700 dislikes". I didn't want to pinpoint any special group for massively clicking the dislike button, and I just thought the Yu-Na - Mao rivaly -of which I had heard, read and seen a lot over the years, like with said ugly videos saying things like "nobody likes her, look!" "she's so ugly!" and so on- might be another example of some fans going too far.
    I didn't want to imply that the relations between Korea and Japan had anything to do with that youtube rating, but I just put "I'm aware of the hostile past between Japan and Korea." as an acknowledgement of one possible ingredient.
    I realized when I saw the direction this thread had taken that some formulations of mine were very naive of me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    I just felt like I could do with a nice "happy feeling" moment and decided to treat myself with watching Akiko Suzuki's recent Nationals FS on youtube again. Yup, that makes me smile.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgLvbzDQsM
    The mood I was hoping for didn't settle in because I unfortunately noticed the "like / dislike" count. Currently, it's 703 like and 697 dislike.
    Not only did I not get my happy smile, I actually feel a lump in my throat now at the notion that fragile little Akiko might learn of that. (insert "I wanna throw up" smilie here)
    I noticed over the past years of the Mao vs Yu-Na rivalry how there were (imo disgusting) people who made it their hobby / borderline full-time job to post youtube videos, not to show how great their idol is, but to smear the opponent. Say she's ugly, has no talent, is overrated, nobody likes her, she eats little children for breakfast (I haven't come across this one, but I'm sure there is somewhere), etc.
    Really disgusting stuff.
    It felt so wrong to me, and just plain alien to what "being a fan" means to me, that I couldn't really process this and kind of moved on to other things.

    I'm aware that my notion of "being a fan" doesn't have to apply to everybody else.
    I'm aware that some fans become really fanatic about supporting their idol.
    I'm aware of the hostile past between Japan and Korea.
    I can - to a certain degree - understand the frustration of feeling one's idol not being recognized enough, like saying: "my idol has the best spins." It's another thing to say "look at his/her opponent's spin, it's so ugly and got too many points". I can understand saying this on a forum like this one.
    But how does all that other stuff happen? The extreme stuff?
    I hope we can discuss this serious subject in a respectful way, I'd really like to learn more about it. Thanks!

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