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Thread: In the history of the Olympics, was anyone robbed?

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    In the history of the Olympics, was anyone robbed?

    Figure skating decisions have been full of controversies as every fan of the sport well knows. The Olympics have certainly not been immune to this. Just for the sake of discussion, let's air out any personal opinions on decisions that we thought were flat out wrong. Who, in your opinion, was robbed? Who was bolstered up unfairly? Let's all remember that judging skating performances is highly subjective for both judges and fans, so we shouldn't get too worked up about this; it's all a matter of what we happened to think as casual fans.

    Personally, I remember the 1992 Olympic Games as being pretty bizarre. I thought Paul Wylie should've beaten Viktor Petrenko for the gold, and ditto for Dmitriev and Mishkutenok, who should've won over Gordeeva & Grinkov (D&M nailed everything, G&G, as graceful as they were, made significant mistakes). And two years later, I thought Nancy Kerrigan's loss to Oksana Baiul was also wrong, although I could understand it better than the '92 results. And of course, in the most recent Games, Sale & Pelletier should've won the gold medals outright without the whole messy fiasco that ensued.

    What were the results that all of you guys had disagreements with? Why?

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    Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    (That's the sound of a can of worms being opened. )

    Anyhoo, the only robbery I can really remember is Torville & Dean at Lillehammer in 1994. I don't remember any of the specifics, or even what they did (and stupidly I recorded over all my 1994 Olympic video tapes), but I distinctly remember feeling amazement when T&D got bronze instead of gold. At the beginning of his interview with them, Pat O'Brien made no bones about calling their third-place finish "highway robbery" on the air, and I agreed.

    (BTW: I also thought S&P were the better skaters in Salt Lake City, but since they did end up with gold, I don't see how they can be said to have been "robbed," in the way you're defining it here. S&P&B&S, all four, got robbed of memories that should have been more beautiful, but that's another type of robbery and has been discussed in many other threads, so I don't think they qualify for this one.)

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    Elvis in 94. He lost to Urmanov because of presentation, and I actually did like Elvis's unconventional aestetic all his own.

    In 02, I though Drobiazko and Vanagas should have gotten bronze -- both FP&M and B&K fel, and D&V had a beautiful skate.

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    Yes, No and Maybe-depending on your opinion

    They're are some instances where I would have reversed the order, where I think it could have gone either way, or some cases where I agree with the final results.


    BTW-No matter what one's opinon is of S/P B/S, I don't think we can consider S/P to be "robbed" because they did get a gold medal. All of the other skaters kept their original medal.

    (Warning this is going to sound really sappy...) Sometimes I think what is lost is that so many skaters gave Fantastic Performances at the Olympics. Sometimes this appreciation is lost.

    And remember, you don't lose the gold, you win the silver

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    Originally posted by Ptichka


    In 02, I though Drobiazko and Vanagas should have gotten bronze -- both FP&M and B&K fel, and D&V had a beautiful skate.
    It is true IMO that D & V definitely got short-changed in their free dance marks, but in the overall picture of things -- in order for D & V to have won the bronze, given that they were 5th in both Compulsory & OD, they would have had to have been 2nd in the free dance. They DEFINITELY deserved 3rd in the free, but IMO not 2nd; Lobacheva & Averbukh were surprisingly good.

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    I think B&S were robbed at the SLC Olympics. IMO they deserved that gold medal, and even though they were allowed to keep it, they were robbed of being the sole winners that night.
    At the time I thought Nancy was robbed of the gold medal in Lilihammer, but I was only 14, and didn't know squat about skating. I have never gone back and rewatched the two performances (One day I'll get around to finding and downloading them so I can), but maybe once I do I'll change my opinion since I now know much more about the sport. So until then I have no opinion. LOL
    There are other results that I disagreed with, but I don't think anyone was robbed. In those cases I think it was more of a split decision and could have gone either way, so I won't bother listing them.

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    Comparing Elvis and Urmanov, I think Urmanov's total skating is stronger. Elvis has some weakness at some basic stuff, such as camel spin, sit spin, and the flow of inbetweens.

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    PLEASE KEEP THIS CIVIL! I know there are quite a few "Olympic Roberries" that can get out of hand... Tara Lipinski vs MK... B/S vs S/P.... come to mind as being trouble topics.....


    just a friendly reminder!

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    Although I was only eight, I have rewatched the tapes many times and truly believe that Nancy should have won in '94. I love how people say that Oksana won with her presentation when the major reason she won was because three judges gave her higher technical scores, which should not have been the case at all.

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    Originally posted by JonnyCoop
    It is true IMO that D & V definitely got short-changed in their free dance marks, but in the overall picture of things -- in order for D & V to have won the bronze, given that they were 5th in both Compulsory & OD, they would have had to have been 2nd in the free dance. They DEFINITELY deserved 3rd in the free, but IMO not 2nd; Lobacheva & Averbukh were surprisingly good.
    Yes, but if the FD finished like this:
    3.D&V
    4.B&K
    5.FP&M

    D&V would have still got the bronze if it finished like this right?

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    Originally posted by Spirit
    Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    (That's the sound of a can of worms being opened. )
    The moderators will be scrutinizing the posts.

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    1994 was IHMO a one big robbary after another

    Torville & Dean-should have won gold, Their free dance was WAY better than G&P.

    Nancy-Blantant Cheating by the eastern bloc, giveing Oskana 5.9 for tech. I think it was a backlash from all the nancy/tonya media attention

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    My only thought of someone "robbed" at the Olympics was Paul Wylie in 1992. But his happiness and acceptance of the silver made the situation much better.

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    What about Regoczy and Sallay in 1980?

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    lol, I don't agree with any of you. I thought B&S won the gold outright, Urmanov too.

    Hm.... I think Irina in SLC. I now think it's obvious she should have won the SP. I think the LP is close, but either way, it's negligable, as at least, Irina should have been 2nd. Overall, I think she should have won gold.

    D&V should have been 4th I think in 02 Oly. 3rd in the Free Dance, 4th overall, ahead of B&K, behind FP&M.

    I&Z. I thought they should have won bronze, because they were pretty much clean (a little sloppy). They also had a great and difficult LP. They just had a horrible skate order (1st in the penultimate group).

    Hmm... Maria too in 02 Oly SP. I don't understand how she was 5th, and Hughes 4th (I absolutely hated her Ave Maria SP, I regard it as the worst Hughes program I've ever seen.) I thought Maria should have been 2nd or 3rd.

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