People thinking Paul was robbed in 1992 makes me think of Liz Manley in 88. It was a similar type of situation. Those are my favourite silver medal wins ever.
I remember thinking at the time that M&D were robbed in 1994. (Haven't seen the competition since then) Mostly though, I think there have been a lot of close situations that could have gone either way, and no matter who won, someone would have seemingly been robbed.
***1980 Olympics***
Linda Fratianne clearly outskated German lady, saw both programs on a tape and Linda was so much better to me.
***1992 Olympics***
Paul Wylie I believe outskated Viktor Petrenko hands down, but of course with Paul Wylie being very inconsistent during that time was not going to get the marks he deserved.
***1994 Olympics***
Nancy Kerrigan, virtually flawless performance including a 3/3 and superb maturity was just not enough for a flawed Oksana Baiul performance. Nancy Kerrigan was technically superb to Oksana, and in my opinion as far as the LP Oksana was not better than that of Nancy.
disagree about SLC and Irina. I think the judges held her up all season and she was finally judged right at SLC. even if she was first after the SP, the results of the LP may or may not have been the same. You can't judge from that. MK may have gotten the fire and kicked some butt. In the end, Sarah kicked both their butts that night. Irina's LP skate was lucky to get her silver.
Totally agree Spirit........that's the only incident off-hand that I can remember really being upset about. 42Anyhoo, the only robbery I can really remember is Torville & Dean at Lillehammer in 1994.
Paul Wylie in '92, Nancy Kerrigan in '94, Torvill & Dean in '94-they all deserved the gold.
2002-B&S were robbed of enjoying their gold medal, after all, they were not responsible for the judges' decision.
I saw them too via Rinkside, and I must say, I think Fratianne is one of the most boring skaters I've ever seen. I think the term "So-so silver" is correct for herOriginally posted by Callystarr
***1980 Olympics***
Linda Fratianne clearly outskated German lady, saw both programs on a tape and Linda was so much better to me..
TV
Brian Orser - 1984 - He had a brilliant short and long program, but unfortunately Scott was first in the figures and as Brian would admit today "figures were not his strong suit." Still he outskated Hamilton.
Well, it's not really a robbery just because Hamilton won because of the lead he had in figures. That was the way the competition was, and Orser himself admits he wasn't strong at figures. It would have been a robbery if Orser placed below Hamilton in the SP and LP, and he didn't.Originally posted by Ladskater
Brian Orser - 1984 - He had a brilliant short and long program, but unfortunately Scott was first in the figures and as Brian would admit today "figures were not his strong suit." Still he outskated Hamilton.
I feel that T&D did get "robbed" and they protested the results. Their reasoning was that the others violated the "24 sec" rule (or maybe a shorter time?) and so should be disqualified. The rules are now changed after the fact which makes me try to figure if the skaters are doing pairs or dancing skating at times. In fact, "dancing" now look more & more like pairs except for the jumps.
Never was impressed by Nancy K's skating & wonder why I hear comments about her technical abilities. Anyway, I remember that Tara had beaten MK because of technical & not presentation.
Which brings up a point regarding the "flutz". As I don't know whether either Tara or Sara do a 3flutz, it would mean that they also violated the rules at that time if the flutzes were done. If the CoP says the flutz is legitmate now, it is after the fact, just like the "rules interpretation" in the case of T&D.
If replay is now available, I just wonder if "instant replay" have ever been used in the GP. The results seem awfully quick if the replay was used unless the TV had done some cutting on the taped shows
Just have to add that rules also changed in football during the game. e.g. placement of the ball were supposed depend on where the player's knee touched the ground for the "downs". but it doesn't apply to touchdowns as only the ball need to cross the goal-line. Ridiculus.
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ITA re: Paul Wylie, Nancy K..
I can't recall the content as some of you can - I wish I had tapes, but I was amazed by Liz Manley's skakte. She was a dynamo. Another petite skater Roz Sumners lost by 1/10th of a point to Witt in 1984.
Can anyone recall how their skates compared to Kat's? She was georgeous and a great skater, and it seemed to me there was no way she would not receive gold. Did she really outskate those 2 ladies in 1984 and '88?
I think B&E desrved gold in '94.
B&K were robbed routinely, esp. in 98 olys.
1984 - Rosalynn vs. Katarina: Rosalynn closed the door on herself by doubling a 3rd triple and singling the second double axel. Katarina was undeniably charming and technically superior to Rosalynn in Sarajevo. I still don't understand the 5/4 split. And Rosalynn got a 6.0 for presentation!? Sure, it was a pleasant performance, but not 6.0 worthy in my opinion....maybe 5.8.
1992 - Paul Wylie. But, that is a personal opinion. I understand Viktor had been the Worlds brides"man" for several years prior to the Olympics and was a co-favorite with Kurt Browning, but his performance in Albertville was error filled and void of choreography and much emotion. Yet, I too was happy for Paul. An Olympic Silver Medal was a HUGE accomplishment for him. BRILLIANT! A 6.0 performance if I ever saw one.
1994 - Nancy vs. Oksana. At the time of the Olympics I was also 14 and new to the world of skating....so naturally I loved Nancy. I was outraged after she lost. Then, I grew up and learned a lot more about skating. I can now say that it was close and that I have no problem with Oksana's victory. She had something that made you notice her, and whether you liked what you saw or not is beside the point....she got your attention. Oksana's technical marks were a bit high, but the presentation scores were on par. Definitely could have seen it go either way.
2002 - Irina. Definitely not robbed. She is a wonderfully talented skater and I have grown to love her over the years, but her freeskate in SLC was woefully lackluster. She skated with extreme caution and had several shaky jump landings. She was lucky to get 2nd in the freeskate. The technical program is another story. I could have seen her in first. But, I would have also had her in 3rd for the long...so, Sarah would have still gotten the gold had I been a judge.
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Regoeczy & Sallay vs. Linichuk & Karponosov in 1980
I have tapes of both the 1980 Olympics and 1980 Worlds ice dancing competitions. I've watched both several times, and there's no doubt for me that R & S should have beaten L & K in Lake Placid. R & S appeared to have greater speed, difficulty, and lit up the crowd. L & K in contrast looked slow and lackluster.
Interestingly the results were reversed at Worlds with R & S winning...makes me wonder if the difference in results was the difference in the makeup of the judges' panel...*sigh*
Torvill & Dean in 1994
I wanted to rub my eyes and gowhen the marks came up after their free dance. I saw the version they used at Euros and the program was improved 100% at least at the Olympics. I definitely think T & D should have won the gold at that event...it turned me off of ice dancing for a while.
So did the judging scandal in the ice dancing competition at the 1998 Olympics...
92: That is pretty bizarre, since M/D won & G/G weren't there.Originally posted by tommyk75
I remember the 1992 Olympic Games as being pretty bizarre. I thought Paul Wylie should've beaten Viktor Petrenko for the gold, and ditto for Dmitriev and Mishkutenok, who should've won over Gordeeva & Grinkov (D&M nailed everything, G&G, as graceful as they were, made significant mistakes).(Yes, you meant 94, and I agree.)
As for those who rave re: Oksana B. - standing in place and vamping for one minute out of four isn't presentation. And throwing in a 2A/2T or whatever that lame jump combo at the end was hardly matched Nancy's tech content. That was a total Eastern-bloc ripoff (and should have prepared me much sooner than it did for what happens so routinely in this sport).
And for the person who said B/S were robbed out of being able to enjoy their gold medal. So were Jamie & David.
Irina was robbed at the 2002 Olympics IMO. She should have won the short program, and if she had, then she would have won gold even with finishing 2nd in the free.
I agree with everyone who said that B&S wuzrobbed of the enjoyment of their gold medals at SLC.
Well, yes, they would have, but my initial assertion was based on FP & M finishing ahead of B & K in the free dance, which is what happened. Whether or not that was a correct decision is open for debate and I'm not going to start it.Originally posted by Smiley0884
Yes, but if the FD finished like this:
3.D&V
4.B&K
5.FP&M
D&V would have still got the bronze if it finished like this right?I was just merely referring to the fact that IMO D/V should have finished ahead of FP/M and B/K.
re. Irina Slutskaya at SLC: I too agree that she should have won the SP. I'm not a huge fan of hers, but I will say she has put on 2 of the finest singles short programs I've ever seen (at SLC and at the 2001 Worlds)
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