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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Why do people keep talking about the 3rd spot? If Gracie continues to struggle like she has all year she will not be the 2nd place finisher at Nationals. She might make the team but even that is not a given but someone who skates clean will pass her up if she skates like she did in SLC or NHK.
    FWIW, Gracie's score at NHK of 177.81 is still better than Mirai and Christina's season best of 175.37 and 173.69, respectively, which are the next best SBs among the U.S. women after Ashley and Gracie.

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    I think a lot of people figure even if they struggle Ashley and Gracie will qualify even if it is a disappointing third. As hard as Gracie has had it Gao, Nagasu, Agnes, Hicks, Zhang, Flatt, Wang et al haven't exactly shaken the world skating order.

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    If I had to predict I'd put it at Wagner/Gold/Nagasu. To me, Gao just doesn't have it. I wouldn't put much money on my prediction, though. Too many consistent skaters, and that includes Wagner.

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    Hi Robin A did you mean too many consistent or inconsistent skaters or is this like a double entendre the skaters are so inconsistent they are consistently inconsistent

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    There well could be some upsets in placement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    What I'd like to hear before the competition starts is a clear statement from the USFSA on how the 3rd lady to go to Sochi will be chosen. Will it be the 3rd place finisher of these Nationals, no if's and but's?
    No, they have to leave themselves some wiggle room. E.g., what if Wagner wins the short program by 10 points and breaks her skate during the freeskate warmup or even during her program and has to withdraw (or finishes the program on a borrowed skate and places 4th or 5th)? Farfetched, but you'd hate to have the rules so ironclad that there would be no legal way to name her to the team under such circumstances.

    If she just crumbles under pressure and/or injury, bombs one or both programs, and finishes 4th or 5th or lower, then she wouldn't make the team. E.g., Czisny in 2010.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    Well back in the old days, when USFS was raking in $$$$ for their Nats before the Olympics, they had to make a distinction that it was not an Olympic Trials per se, otherwise USOC would want a piece of the pie.
    That is still true, and that is why there is no official written guarantee that even the winner will go to the Olympics if eligible.

    In practice, I think there is no chance that the national champions will not be named to the Olympic team. Unless they're not eligible: too young, not US citizens, haven't earned the required ISU minimum tech score at an international competition since last year.

    But I can't remember any time where a skater medaled at Nats and was denied making the Olys. Oh wait, how about Zayak in 1980?
    Zayak was 4th at 1980 Nationals. The third Olympic/Worlds slots were split between her and bronze medalist Sandy Lenz, similar to the split between Paul Wylie to Olympics and Mark Mitchell to Worlds in 1992.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    Hi Robin A did you mean too many consistent or inconsistent skaters or is this like a double entendre the skaters are so inconsistent they are consistently inconsistent
    Oops, I did mean inconsistent, but consistently inconsistent works too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Why do people keep talking about the 3rd spot? If Gracie continues to struggle like she has all year she will not be the 2nd place finisher at Nationals. She might make the team but even that is not a given but someone who skates clean will pass her up if she skates like she did in SLC or NHK.
    I wouldn't go as far as to say that Gracie's struggled all year. For a second-year senior who changed coaches during the Olympic season, she seems to be holding up as well as can be reasonably expected. And, following Mrs. P's comment, Gracie was by and far the highest-placing American at both of her GP events. She bested Christina and Courtney by 13 and 24 points, respectively, at SC, and Mirai by 36 points at NHK. Both times, she skated far below her potential.

    I'd also like to point out that, in 2011, Ashley Wagner -- who had just started working with John Nicks -- had the EXACT SAME finishes at her GP events as Gracie did this season (3rd at SC, 4th at NHK), though with considerably lower scores.

    Right now, Ashley is still my pick for US champion, but I have a hard time imagining a scenario in which Gracie places lower than 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Why do people keep talking about the 3rd spot? If Gracie continues to struggle like she has all year she will not be the 2nd place finisher at Nationals. She might make the team but even that is not a given but someone who skates clean will pass her up if she skates like she did in SLC or NHK.
    Her craptacular outing in NHK STILL scored higher than Nagasu's medal winning performance in Russia...Think on THAT

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Her craptacular outing in NHK STILL scored higher than Nagasu's medal winning performance in Russia...Think on THAT
    "Craptacular" - I like this new word!

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    Well, for her it was craptacular. Or craptastic. Other people would kill for those scores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Well, for her it was craptacular. Or craptastic. Other people would kill for those scores.
    Craptastic is a regular word at my house for take out food
    I think Ashley will repeat for sure. But Gracie's a little hard to gauge since this will be the first we've seen her after the changes. For some reason, my gut feels Polina will be third. I think maybe just to leave us all in suspense with how it will play out with the Olympic Team. I may eat those words, but's it's my current gut feeling.

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    Gracie's bad skate will score better than other ladies' good skates except Ashley lol

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    I predict a strong SP from Gracie who will skate clean, but I think nerves will get to her in the free with the added pressure if having the title hers to lose and that Ashley will skate clean and triumph.

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    Well someone did a tweet to The Skating Lesson that Christina Gao did a clean run through of her long including a triple flip/triple toe. If these reports are true and that kind of skating is able to get translated to competition we're going to have quite the nationals.

    With US ladies these days I feel like the only stable prediction is to bet on Ashley. Gracie likely second unless she really falters and another woman delivers, and third will hopefully go to whoever brings it this year.

    Especially in an Olympic year you really want your team to be the three ladies to deliver two performances on the night of, and hopefully that's what we'll see!!

    (I can't deny though, I HOPE that that girl is Nagasu)

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