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    20th anniversary of Nancy-Tonya incident

    Author neatly summarizes the event, the legacy and the waste. Essentially Harding could have been to Figure Skating what Serena is to Women's tennis.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/...igure.html.csp

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    Tonya was a very sad story, abused and with no support from her mother-who married 5 times. I do not understand how anyone ever thought Tonya would live happily after. She was lucky she was not arrested. Very lucky. And now she has a child, and I can only say I hope she is a different woman now. There will be a lot of reminders going into Sochi. It made many people into millionaires, except Tonya, which was the point of the whole mess.

    Nancy was very lucky, indeed it was above the knee. I think there is nothing to be learned from this tale of greed, jealousy, malice that we all don't know. I hope the little one gets the love Tonya never got from her own mother. That would be a happy ending, in a way for her.

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    This recent article about the cultural and societal circumstances surrounding the Tonya-Nancy conflict, written for The Believer magazine by Sarah Marshall, is also quite a fascinating read. Ms. Marshall even makes connections to present-day skaters like Yuna and Mao.

    http://www.believermag.com/issues/20...ticle_marshall

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    The problem with Tonya was that she was packaged so poorly. Her music choices were generally terrible; her best program was skated to music from Batman and Tone Loc's Wild Thing. Her choreography wasn't great. Her outfits were unflattering. Despite this, when she would hit the jumps she would still win. However, her packaging needed more refinement to compete with the others when she wasn't at her best.

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    And it wasn't necessarily Lavona either (I think she was married seven or nine times, Al Harding was only her 5th....). Diane Rawlinson took Tonya into her home and supported her. Tonya had sponsors, people wanted her to succeed.

    You are right it was her packaging. Though Diane did her best, Tonya was self-destructive with a mind of her own. It really is a sad story. Can you imagine having such raw talent and not maximizing it????

    Her recent interviews show she is still delusional. Most people can forgive and forget after a mea culpa. She's had 20 years to set it straight. And frankly, I bet there'd be some people who didn't really like Kerrigan and think "Hmm, hard to feel sorry for her..." Not condoning it, of course, but like Chris Rock would say "Not that I agree with it, but I understand it!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    This recent article about the cultural and societal circumstances surrounding the Tonya-Nancy conflict, written for The Believer magazine by Sarah Marshall, is also quite a fascinating read. Ms. Marshall even makes connections to present-day skaters like Yuna and Mao.

    http://www.believermag.com/issues/20...ticle_marshall
    Excellent and insightful article. Have to admit I am not without guilt in regards to buying into the "class" narrative the media was selling. I now feel some sympathy for Tonya. She is far from blameless but she also had an almost unfair amount of life-hurdles to overcome as well.

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    I always felt Tonya was a more talented skater than Nancy Kerrigan, although the latter had a better package. It was unfortunate she made really bad decisions and let her talent go to waste like that. I don't necessarily agree with the connection the author is trying to make with regards to select group of ladies who have landed a 3A in competition. Mao and Yukari possess elegance and feminine quality that we associate with ladies skating. They just happen to do the triple axel.

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    To have class or not to have class, that is the question.

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    It's more than a shame. It is a tragedy that she never lived up to her potential. After 1991 she was pretty much on a downward spiral, briefly returning to form in late 1993. She was landing the triple axel in practice sessions during the 94 Nationals. There is a documentary called Sharp Edges on youtube that folllows her through the 1986 Nationals. It is sad because her mother was so damn cruel when Tonya missed her jumps. Linda brought out the best qualities in her technique but Linda was way to soft to coach Tonya. I think Rafael or Frank could have coached her. She did need better choreography like her Moon River program. She was capable of moments of some artistry and she did have good footwork and stroking when she was on. Somehow that was forgotten in lieu of the jumps. I don't see anyone land jumps the way she did. Gracie is close though.

    Had Tonya trained better after 1991 she certainly would have medaled at one of the Olympics. I saw her land a quad loop in Portland but I am not sure it was fully rotated. Sadly, she isn't remembered for her axel or raw talent and power. She is a pariah. It saddens me. I don't care whether she help plan the attack on Kerrigan or not. Liz Manley and Surya Bonaly were the few skaters that actually forgave her when she made her brief comeback in 1999.Not every skater has to be a princess on ice. Everyone has their own style.

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    A really sad state of affairs. I obviously felt horrible for Kerrigan but Harding's life was ruined... Such a shame to see such raw athletic talent go to waste. Karma certainly bit her a lot harder than it bites others. In some twisted positive, the whole saga brought far more interest to the sport than any landed 3A ever could (even if for the wrong reasons).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyaHardlyEver View Post
    It's more than a shame. It is a tragedy that she never lived up to her potential. After 1991 she was pretty much on a downward spiral, briefly returning to form in late 1993. She was landing the triple axel in practice sessions during the 94 Nationals. There is a documentary called Sharp Edges on youtube that folllows her through the 1986 Nationals. It is sad because her mother was so damn cruel when Tonya missed her jumps. Linda brought out the best qualities in her technique but Linda was way to soft to coach Tonya. I think Rafael or Frank could have coached her. She did need better choreography like her Moon River program. She was capable of moments of some artistry and she did have good footwork and stroking when she was on. Somehow that was forgotten in lieu of the jumps. I don't see anyone land jumps the way she did. Gracie is close though.

    Had Tonya trained better after 1991 she certainly would have medaled at one of the Olympics. I saw her land a quad loop in Portland but I am not sure it was fully rotated. Sadly, she isn't remembered for her axel or raw talent and power. She is a pariah. It saddens me. I don't care whether she help plan the attack on Kerrigan or not. Liz Manley and Surya Bonaly were the few skaters that actually forgave her when she made her brief comeback in 1999.Not every skater has to be a princess on ice. Everyone has their own style.
    Frank would not have put up with her nonsense or lack of work ethic.

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    On the contrary he could have also whipped it into shape (though not likely). Oh well... There will always be Jurassic Park. (As "tacky" as people might want to call it , I love how she used music that was popular those years and not the same played out classical music.)

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    I dunno, some skaters just move on if they don't get what they want out of a coach (positive or negative)... Nicole Bobek was another one that never reached her full potential because she was too much of a rebel. It finally caught up with her in her personal life... but she seems (last I saw her) to have turned a corner. Hopefully Tonya has too (though judging by her comments she's still playing the victim). I was almost 9 when it happened and I looked up to both Nancy and Tonya and was crushed by the whole thing. Never really got over it. As a kid you don't think your heroes can have a "bad side"...

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    I was a little kid back in those days and I actually lived in the Detroit area, so it was all over the news. I remember I had gone to a few Ice shows around that age, but it was hard to get into and I didn't follow figure skating until the last however many years. As an American boy at the time, all you had to look at was Tonya and Nancy, one a criminal and the other ... catty. I had a huge crush on Kristi Yamaguchi but she had just retired. And going to the ice shows you'd see Dorothy Hamill or people like that, but they were too old for me to appreciate considering my age. It was a tough time in the 90's for young Americans to really get into figure skating, maybe why it's become a niche sport in my generation.

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    I think our generation just got tired of the over-saturated market of skating... too much of a good thing and all that.

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