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Thread: Boston Globe article on the demise of the "American Ice Queen"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RABID View Post
    But did that whack really help the sport gain in popularity? I think that event got a lot of interest but I am not so sure it spilled over into any significant interest in figure skating itself. Remember the early 90's was still part of a golden era. I would even say that that event might have been responsible for turning people off the sport, after the "drama" waned. I remember that was a time when it was "good fun" to mock and make fun of the sport like it was some sort of cartoon. Perhaps that warped image of figure skating turned off a potential group of new fans; dismissing the sport as a collection of back stabbing drama queens whilst trying to be little princesses but with no "REAL" athleticism.
    Just imagine how BORING it would be if we had Ice Queens and Ice Kings. It's been boring enough that Patrick Chan's been winning almost everything for years, ditto for YuNa Kim (no disrespect to them, they are obviously amazing skaters), and it's finally looking interesting with a number of others snapping at their heels. A one-horse race isn't going to attract a following. Although Dai and Mao had a lot to do with figure skating's popularity in Japan, there are many others (Akiko, Kanako, Takahiko, and more recently Yuzu and Tatsuki) who have contributed by making if competitive. On the other hand, figure skating is still an acquired taste compared to baseball, soccer, rugby, etc.

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    The programs suck these days. Just look at this American Nationals Ladies' SP competition that just concluded - none of the programs sing. The elements are simply there because they must be done. All kinds of spin positions and rotations thrown in without any sense of greater choreographic or interpretive purpose. Footwork that goes on and on for no reason. All kinds random transitional movements instead of truly grabbing the audience or moving with artistic purpose.

    Compare to 2005 U.S. Nationals, the last 6.0 event. The top 4 SP's there, from Michelle Kwan, Sasha Cohen, Jenny Kirk, and Bebe Liang, surpass ALL of the top 4 programs from 2014 Nationals. Excellent skating with an impact that exceeds the Triple-Triple combinations and disjointed crap that Gracie Gold and Polina Edmunds are doing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    The programs suck these days. Just look at this American Nationals Ladies' SP competition that just concluded - none of the programs sing. The elements are simply there because they must be done. All kinds of spin positions and rotations thrown in without any sense of greater choreographic or interpretive purpose. Footwork that goes on and on for no reason. All kinds random transitional movements instead of truly grabbing the audience or moving with artistic purpose.

    Compare to 2005 U.S. Nationals, the last 6.0 event. The top 4 SP's there, from Michelle Kwan, Sasha Cohen, Jenny Kirk, and Bebe Liang, surpass ALL of the top 4 programs from 2014 Nationals. Excellent skating with an impact that exceeds the Triple-Triple combinations and disjointed crap that Gracie Gold and Polina Edmunds are doing now.
    OMG I thought that it was just me. Gracie skated well (for Gracie) and they have packaged her up pretty good for but I felt absolutely nothing. I just didn't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavender View Post
    OMG I thought that it was just me. Gracie skated well (for Gracie) and they have packaged her up pretty good for but I felt absolutely nothing. I just didn't get it.
    Because that's all we saw. Pretty gift wrap with a nice little bow on top, but once you unwrapped it, there was little flash and bang other than her brief jumps which weren't even on point today.

    Her short program is not a masterpiece, far FAR from it, but it does get the judges to notice her if they ever missed her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sai Bon View Post
    Just imagine how BORING it would be if we had Ice Queens and Ice Kings. It's been boring enough that Patrick Chan's been winning almost everything for years, ditto for YuNa Kim (no disrespect to them, they are obviously amazing skaters), and it's finally looking interesting with a number of others snapping at their heels. A one-horse race isn't going to attract a following. Although Dai and Mao had a lot to do with figure skating's popularity in Japan, there are many others (Akiko, Kanako, Takahiko, and more recently Yuzu and Tatsuki) who have contributed by making if competitive. On the other hand, figure skating is still an acquired taste compared to baseball, soccer, rugby, etc.
    The thrill of competition is in competing neck-a-neck and "competing". I agree on singular dominance boredom, but instead of blaming the winners, it's time to actually pay attention and respect for SILVER WINNERS. Just consider the word "gold medal" as a separate superclass category from other medals.

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    I wish there was a 'ice king'. I enjoy the men much more than the women now. I have ever since COP was introduced. COP doesn't seem to stop the men from having interesting programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chapis View Post
    but people watch dancing with the stars , and they want to know who will win, it is the same, many people say it is not a sport but they want to watch it, why???, why not FS???.
    Dancing with the Stars features a lot of beautiful people in revealing costumes doing suggestive routines. The show's ratings are also declining compared to its peak. It's more like figure skating than you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    The extremely sexist nature of this discussion says it all - Americans are obsessed with the concept of an Ice Princess. Why not an Ice Prince? The top men are all good-looking, charming, personable, and mighty athletes. There's a goldmine of marketing there that is just being perpetually ignored!

    It's time to be bold! It's time to bust stereotypes! Bring Battle of the Blades to the US. Perhaps have a "greatest athlete" style contest and pitch a skater against football players and the like!
    Good luck. How much cash are you willing to spend trying to achieve your vision? Money talks.

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    The "American Ice Queens" have been replaced with the "Japanese/Korean Ice Queens"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater View Post
    The "American Ice Queens" have been replaced with the "Japanese/Korean Ice Queens"
    Asian Imperial Empresses.

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