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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    wow, media backlash starts in Russia, too?
    I guess her PCS will drop like a rock in Sochi.
    her PCS will probably equals that of Polina Edmunds
    basically they sealed it, Wagner now confirmed has a negative chance of an individual Olympics medal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taan View Post
    Russian Press Gives Olympic Ice Skater an Original Smear
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elizab...orts&ir=Sports
    Without actually accusing the judges of promoting a human rights agenda over fair play, the article calls the unprecedented nature of Wagner's selection "not according to sport principal"
    LOL - that's awesome, I'm sure Maxim Kovtun and his team will be glad to hear that, according to this RBC Holding media conglomerate, his spot for Sochi over Plushenko is secure, since he won the Russian Nationals... And sending Plushenko would be "not according to sport principle"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Now Ashley will definitely have a chance to wear her rainbow colored fingernails and earrings in Sochi. I still think that her chance of getting a medal at the Olympics is none. If anyone says that Gracie Gold might have a chance to get an Olympic medal, I will agree.
    Frankly, I hope that Ashley forgets about rainbow colored fingernails and earrings. While I too am appalled about Russia's policies against gays, the Olympics is no place to try and champion their cause. To be honest I feel that most people won't even care - they're going to watch the Olympics and they're not going to even think about Russia's anti-gay laws. Ashley should just focus on doing her best each time she goes out on the ice. I have the feeling that if she bombs the media just might be merciless - just as some of them already have been since Mirai wasn't named to the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    LOL - that's awesome, I'm sure Maxim Kovtun and his team will be glad to hear that, according to this RBC Holding media conglomerate, his spot for Sochi over Plushenko is secure, since he won the Russian Nationals... And sending Plushenko would be "not according to sport principle"


    But, we forget that Plushenko did win the platinum medal in Vancouver.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_472590.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    LOL - that's awesome, I'm sure Maxim Kovtun and his team will be glad to hear that, according to this RBC Holding media conglomerate, his spot for Sochi over Plushenko is secure, since he won the Russian Nationals... And sending Plushenko would be "not according to sport principle"
    Bingo!

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    more drumbeat from the Nytimes: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/...e-golden-girl/

    though Wagner has no chance to medal in Sochi, ditching the internet might save her some physochological problems in Sochi
    almost feel sorry for her


    I’m talking about fans of Mirai Nagasu, the 20-year-old figure skater whose Olympic hopes were dashed this week when U.S. Figure Skating made the shocking decision to ignore her bronze medal in the U.S. National Championships — the event that traditionally determines the candidates selected as Olympians — and instead pick 22-year-old Ashley Wagner, who placed a distant fourth after falling twice in her routines, for the team that would represent America in Sochi.

    So why was Wagner ultimately chosen over Nagasu? The skating federation pointed to Nagasu’s spotty record over the past 12 months, and to Wagner’s higher overall standing in global rankings. But given the dramatic and unprecedented nature of USFS’s decision, it’s hard not to see other reasons for the slight — conscious or unconscious.

    Wagner’s flowing blond hair, bellflower-blue eyes and sculpted features mark her as a sporting archetype: She’s the embodiment of the “golden girl” the media has extolled when they’ve waxed poetic about idealized ice queens of the past, from Norway’s Sonja Henie to East Germany’s Katarina Witt, a marketer’s dream who’s already signed up tent-pole sponsors like Nike, Pandora Jewelry and CoverGirl, which assessed her Teutonic beauty as being worthy of serving as one of their global “faces.”

    Pundits are largely more discreet these days. No one will state outright that Nagasu may have had her dream punctured because Wagner better conforms to USFS’s central casting fantasy, and the millions in corporate support that might follow it.

    And even if they did, none will point out the obvious: That with Wagner, silver winner Polina Edmunds and gold medalist Gracie Gold (talk about central casting fantasies!), the U.S.A. will be taking to the ice with a porcelain-skinned, blond-tressed triple-threat, any of whom will unleash a geyser of sponsorship money if she manages to earn a chunk of Sochi metal for the motherland. That’s been left for Nagasu’s fans, who briefly pushed the Twitter hashtag #MiraiEarnedIt into prominence on the microblog, hoping to generate empathy for her plight.

    But if Wagner’s “all-American” looks played any role in her selection — and of course, we’ll probably never really know — the real irony is this: blue-eyed, blonde Wagner was born in Heidelberg, Germany. Nagasu, meanwhile, was born in Montebello, Calif.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    Not sure where you guys are, but the story is on all the major networks here in NY.
    I've been watching mostly recorded shows (I work pretty long hours in public safety) but my sister recorded a CNN snippet that briefly mentioned the controversy for me. I had no idea it had reached the television media (which shows how much of a hermit I am). I thought it was just on a few sites on the net.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    So sad...I think Ashley will find it hard to medal but it is not impossible. She will have the pressure and emotional baggage with what has happened THe media and the public are powerful. This could have gone undetected but now that everyone has dramatized it well I am not sure anyone is the winner. The USFSA is decimated. A lot wrongfully blame Ashley for the decision but she made her own bedby not competing well. Mirai is going to get a lot of s ympathy but also some who just got fed up with her - waiting for her to peak abut goign nowhere for so long. What is lost is Mirai didn't skate all that brilliantly at nationals and has had a long lull and has fallen well short of what was anticipated after her fourth place finish at 2010 olympics and leading worlds in 2010 before her fall from grace (didn't she almost have it all) so to speak.
    True, but it didn't help that Mirai was blocked from opportunities (i.e. 2010 Nationals which she SHOULD have won, 2011 Worlds where she SHOULD have gone) and saw others consistently favored over her domestically (i.e. Flatt, Zawadski, now Edmunds, and only one GP at one point versus Gracie who got two) even when she skated well. That had to play into her psyche and lowered her self-esteem. The USFSA has NEVER shown Mirai any love. The only reason she was sent to the 2010 Olympics is that both Wagner and Cohen imploded. In 2008 she wasn't never going Worlds anyway as she was not age-eligible. Hard to train with much motivation or joy when your own Federation keep throwing up road blocks year after year and clearly favors other competitors over you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taan View Post
    Russian Press Gives Olympic Ice Skater an Original Smear
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elizab...orts&ir=Sports
    This is outrageous. While I don't agree with Mirai not being selected to the Sochi team they don't need to go after Ashley - none of this is her fault. The 'drinking wine' bit almost makes it seem like she was out on a drunken binge.

    And as if the Russian Federation has never been corrupt - Alexei Yagudin never won a National title for a reason. They didn't like him. Plushenko was always their Golden Boy.

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    I've always liked Ashley but think USFSA made a mistake. The rules should be changed making the US championships an Olympic trial. I've been supremely frustrated that Mirai has been so in and out (mostly out) the past several years but to her credit she skated 2 excellent programs and deserved to be on the team. That being said it's certainly within the realm of possibility for Ashley to skate at least as well as she did at last yr's Worlds and be in the top 5, with higher PCS than Gracie will get. I believe she hit her 3/3 in every comp this yr leading up to last week, and I think she can do it again. She could also totally blow up but I'm hoping not. Uncle Dick always said any country's nationals provokes the most anxiety and that obviously happened to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8ingcoach View Post
    I did not say no chance. I said slightly less chance. When they go out for olympic, judges are not going to be thinking " oh this is going to be great, they will be on the podium", they will be thinking " she is not going to land two 3A's". Yes if they are clean im sure they probably will be on the podium, but will the slightly less components push her from gold to silver, or silver to bronze
    Unless you're clairvoyant, you have no way of knowing what the judges at the Sochi Olympics will be 'thinking'.

    Not being National champion didn't hurt Wylie, Lipinksi, Hughes, Yagudin, or Lysacek at their respective Olympics. Wylie, who had a history of bombing programs, won silver and the rest became Olympic Champions - the Olympic judges at each of those skater's Games didn't seem to care - so your theory doesn't hold up.

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    Very low. It was low to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhu714 View Post
    I've been supremely frustrated that Mirai has been so in and out (mostly out) the past several years but to her credit she skated 2 excellent programs and deserved to be on the team.
    While better than Ashley's programs, Mirai's programs were not "excellent", particularly the LP which was devoid of choreography at times. She was 3rd best in each segment.

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    Are people honestly surprised the Russian media is trying to smear Wagner?

    They're still shaking in their boots that an outspoken athlete, who can potentially deny their own athletes a medal, is going. Of course they'll say whatever they can to bring her down.

    Whatever, Ashley doesn't give a crap about the haters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Are people honestly surprised the Russian media is trying to smear Wagner?

    They're still shaking in their boots that an outspoken athlete, who can potentially deny their own athletes a medal, is going. Of course they'll say whatever they can to bring her down.

    Whatever, Ashley doesn't give a crap about the haters.
    lol , they dont need smear campaign as Gracie will do that for her
    he PCS stocks will be lower by Sochi, that's a fact

    lets face it, Wagner is a non medal threat, she has been being worn out falling on her butt

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    lets face it, Wagner is a non medal threat, she has been being worn out falling on her butt
    What is wrong with you? Seriously? I feel like you'd be the type to kick a puppy on the street just because you didn't like its colour. You have nothing nice to say about any skater that isn't one of your uber-favourites... you deride Wagner for falling on her butt -- oh, and how's your precious Yuzuru's 4S coming along?

    Fact: Ashley still has way more GP medals than Gold, has actual GOLD medals internationally (which Gracie hasn't earned), has the highest World ranking of the US women, and is so decorated that she's the only US woman who could get away with a 4th place finish and still go to Sochi because of how consistent she's been. The only thing Gold has over Ashley is a single US championship -- which is also her first win over Ashley in all of the meetings these two have had.

    I'm really curious as to what your skating background is, as you strike me as a couch skater (or couch hater, if you will) -- the type who barely set foot on the ice as a kid, barely skates even recreationally as an adult (if your immaturity even lends us to calling you that), and certainly hasn't competed because otherwise you would have much greater respect for athletes who are trying their hardest to do something that is inherently very hard to begin with. You should be ashamed of yourself, but shame is clearly something you're incapable of because shame requires respecting oneself... which is hardly likely in your case, considering the disrespect you show towards others.

    There's only one thing that's worn out, and that's your constant put-downs, broken record repetitive tripe about Ashley worn out/Sotnikova being a headcase/Tukt having weight issues/etc., and your general disdain for the world. Our sport is something that is supposed to be positive, and while criticism is welcome, there is absolutely no need for the crap you've been spewing.

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    Gracie Gold is reigning National Champion, has the full backing of the USFS
    has tons of media attention already , touted as a gold medal contender by the US media
    if she is clean she will be vying with Kim Yuna for the gold medal
    if that isn't momentum I don't know what is

    Wagner barely doesn't get any media news, only scandal involving her and Mirai, that is news for the wrong reasons
    and will be bad for her PCS who will fall in Sochi.

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