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    Disgusting Judging

    The judging for the senior events so far has been absolutely disgraceful

    Agnes Zawadski receiving only 2 points higher in components that people like Yasmin Siraj and Courtney hicks.

    Judges giving Rachael Flatts step sequence a -1 and a 0.

    Kiri Baga receiving only 24 for components.

    Hannah Miller not receiving an edge call for 3Lz

    Christina Gao still scoring level 3 step sequence

    Ashley Cains jumps not being <

    Mirai Nagasu Jumps not being <

    Sam Cesario jumps not being <

    Polina Edmunds receiving PCS of a senior Lady ?


    Sorry for Ranting but this was some of the worst judging ive ever witnessed.

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    Okay well it has been consistent though - bad. I am not sure why in the world these judges are so so so generous with these marks they are a good ten percent too high and to behonest the US is the worst culprits. The US used to give out 6.0's like potato chips. Yeah I am not so sure about Mirai's jumps. Love her but they might not be helping her by9ing being so generous at nationals. No miracle for Flatt, Zhang, Hicks or Zawadiuk - they are out of it. Goldlooks to be in contention for an oly medal but we are a fickle bunch - one bad skate and it is back to she can't handle the pressure.

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    Thank God Agnes was [finally] scored appropriately! For sure I thought the judges would held her up like they always do.

    You mean Baga is still doing singles??? Girl needs to chose one discipline and stick with it! (and by that i mean pairs obviously)

    Polina was fantastic and rightfully deserves her second place. If she goes clean in the LP with her 3/3, it'll be hard for Nagasu/Wagner to beat her.


    For once I agree with the judges.

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    Why should Gao get a level 4 step sequence when she tripped in her steps not just once, but twice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dots View Post
    Thank God Agnes was [finally] scored appropriately! For sure I thought the judges would held her up like they always do.

    For once I agree with the judges.
    You really think Agnes deserves PCS that close to someone like Yasmin Siraj.

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    Agnes deserved slightly better PCS, but all these years where she was overscored, it's time to pay back. If we're playing fair, her PCS would be 15 to pay back for the past 3 years.
    This girl took the spot from so many skaters in the past, so it's hard to find any sympathy for her. The USF is telling her to retire. Game over for Agnes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexeifan View Post
    Why should Gao get a level 4 step sequence when she tripped in her steps not just once, but twice?
    Well sometimes the level may be high but the GOE may be low if that makes sense. I mean someone can do a quad toe but it can be wobbly, two footed, not great height etc which should be reflected in the goe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexeifan View Post
    Why should Gao get a level 4 step sequence when she tripped in her steps not just once, but twice?
    The level has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the element. The technical panel calls the level based on difficulty criteria that is met. Then the judges assign a GOE based on the quality of that element. The element was accurately judged with -3 and -2 GOEs.

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    sk8ingcoach - You haven't provided a single argument for why those judging decisions were wrong.

    You haven't even said which jumps you thought should have been downgraded, because I don't assume that you meant all of them. Have you actually watched them in slo-mo?

    As for Lv4 step sequences for everyone, correct me if I am wrong, but I can't recall ISU technical panels being this generous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    As for Lv4 step sequences for everyone, correct me if I am wrong, but I can't recall ISU technical panels being this generous.
    My guess is that the USFSA's answer to keep up with the huge National Inflation seen across the world was to grant each competitor their own panel of judges, comprised exclusively of close family members!

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    Am I the only who sees UR at 3F of Wagner's combo (SP)?
    I believe - problem with second jump of this combo was because URed first jump.

    Update - I was wrong. Both jumps at combo are rotated.
    Problem was because Ashley did not hold vertical axis in first jump, because of this problem at landing and doubling second jump.

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    Its not really fair to punish Agnes for 3 years of generous judging, she didn't ask for the scores. Her PCS mark was pretty low.

    I also agree that Polina was overscored in PCS. I think she's a gorgeous skater and has tonnes of potential but her programmes seem so juniorish to me, her age really shows on the ice. I also think she's lacking in finesse and polish, but that will all come in time.

    Still hoping for Gracie, Ashley and Mirai on the podium, in any order.

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    too bad there isn't away for the judges to lose their status as judge; it would be hard where they are consistently overmarking. I just don't understand really how this happens because to get these scores it means the majority of the judges are doing this. Surely they have some idea what top skaters are getting at international events? It isn't that easy to get over 60 at a competition but here they are given out as fast as telemarketers call you at dinner. I understand this is a common issue at individual nations's competition but it seems more pronounced in the good ole us of a. Yuna give it up. Gracie is going to cream you with this scoring system and Virtue and Moir you might aas well wrap up those gold medals and put them on a velvet pillow and bow down to almighty Davis and White

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    In a hurry, so just copying a part of my comments from another thread:

    How the hell Agnes's choreography scores can range from 4.750 (!!!) to 7.50??? That makes no sense whatsoever.
    How did Agnes's SS suddenly drop to the 6's and interpretation to 5s and 6s????

    If you've seen Agnes skate live, she is a very powerful skater, projects well, and has nice edges. No way does her interpretation last night deserve 5s and 6s--when Gracie's ranged all the way to 9.0! Look at Mirai's IN scores as well: they range from 5.25 to 8.0! 2.75pt difference from one judge to the other is ridiculous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Agnes deserved slightly better PCS, but all these years where she was overscored, it's time to pay back. If we're playing fair, her PCS would be 15 to pay back for the past 3 years.
    This girl took the spot from so many skaters in the past, so it's hard to find any sympathy for her. The USF is telling her to retire. Game over for Agnes.
    Talk about pulling the rug out from under someone. And just how did it happen that all (or a majority) of the judges hosed her? Is it OK now for judges to decide in advance the scores they will give out? They used to at least pretend they judged individually. I am disgusted with a judging system that "sends messages" to skaters instead of judging them on their performance. Was Agnes really that much worse in PCS than just-up-from juniors-and-skated-like-it Polina Edmunds? On the international level, Polina would not receive those scores, especially when she is compared to other young skaters like Julia L. and Elena R.

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