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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    Talk about pulling the rug out from under someone. And just how did it happen that all (or a majority) of the judges hosed her? Is it OK now for judges to decide in advance the scores they will give out? They used to at least pretend they judged individually. I am disgusted with a judging system that "sends messages" to skaters instead of judging them on their performance. Was Agnes really that much worse in PCS than just-up-from juniors-and-skated-like-it Polina Edmunds? On the international level, Polina would not receive those scores, especially when she is compared to other young skaters like Julia L. and Elena R.
    It's politicking in its most natural form. Agnes sealed her fate during the Grand Prix and the judges sent her a memo. Polina IMO was scored to high is PCS, she is a great technical skater but the program did nothing for me. She is an American version of Elena Radinova. I think Mirai was lowballed intentionally on PSC as she should have been the clear second. Gracie is over scoring at its finest, she is going to have to imploded badly to lose this title. I'm really hoping the Olympic team is Ashley, Gracie, and Mirai in no order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    sk8ingcoach - You haven't provided a single argument for why those judging decisions were wrong.

    You haven't even said which jumps you thought should have been downgraded, because I don't assume that you meant all of them. Have you actually watched them in slo-mo?
    For Ashley: 2A, maybe 3F
    For Mirai: 3R, 2nd 3T

    IMO these were clear cut <, some even close to << but probably not quite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    Talk about pulling the rug out from under someone. And just how did it happen that all (or a majority) of the judges hosed her? Is it OK now for judges to decide in advance the scores they will give out? They used to at least pretend they judged individually. I am disgusted with a judging system that "sends messages" to skaters instead of judging them on their performance. Was Agnes really that much worse in PCS than just-up-from juniors-and-skated-like-it Polina Edmunds? On the international level, Polina would not receive those scores, especially when she is compared to other young skaters like Julia L. and Elena R.
    Of course everyone here is disgusted by this judging.
    The point is clear. Something shady is always going on. I've seen first hand how overscored Agnes was. I wouldn't be surprised that the US Fed sent a debit memo to the judges. We overpaid this girl by 20 points in PCS and GOE, take them back this year.

    Agnes is not much worse, but in this field, she's more like 27.5 PCS skater. She earned about 3 PCS points higher than what she should get last year, so now she's paying for it back. And she hasn't even done paying yet. Her future is bleak with the US Fed. The debit memo is huge for Agnes.

    Fair for her? No. Like I said, she shouldn't even get 15 on PCS.
    For others? No, they want a chance to compete at 4CC, at GPs, at all other events that Agnes took from them.

    Two wrongs don't make a right, but let's just say Agnes shouldn't be punching tickets to any events in the future.

    The other girls, Ashley and Gracie are currently in the US Fed welfare roster.

    If Ashley doesn't make top 3, she shouldn't go to the Olympics.
    For her contribution, send her to World.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK's Winter View Post
    It's politicking in its most natural form. Agnes sealed her fate during the Grand Prix and the judges sent her a memo. Polina IMO was scored to high is PCS, she is a great technical skater but the program did nothing for me. She is an American version of Elena Radinova. I think Mirai was lowballed intentionally on PSC as she should have been the clear second. Gracie is over scoring at its finest, she is going to have to imploded badly to lose this title. I'm really hoping the Olympic team is Ashley, Gracie, and Mirai in no order.

    ITA and if you've read any of the articles Edmund is really in love…………with herself. LOL… not a fan That's just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavender View Post
    ITA and if you've read any of the articles Edmund is really in love…………with herself. LOL… not a fan That's just my opinion.
    Lol I very much picked up on that! It's as off putting as her costume and bedazzled hair was

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    If Ashley doesn't make top 3, she shouldn't go to the Olympics.
    For her contribution, send her to World.
    Why not? The USFSA has made very clear that Nationals alone will not be the only deciding factor. If Ashley gets beaten here it will be the first time in THREE YEARS any American has beaten her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Why not? The USFSA has made very clear that Nationals alone will not be the only deciding factor. If Ashley gets beaten here it will be the first time in THREE YEARS any American has beaten her.
    I agree 100% Drivingmissdaisy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Why not? The USFSA has made very clear that Nationals alone will not be the only deciding factor. If Ashley gets beaten here it will be the first time in THREE YEARS any American has beaten her.
    It's also 3 years in a row where she hasn't delivered at the big stages. So what's the point? She's not going to be a factor in Sochi. Let some new blood in.

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    How can anyone compare Edmunds to Radionova. Radionova is 4th at GPF, Edmunds 4th at JGPF...Radionova is so many miles more artistic than Edmunds.

    Judging is always shady at US Nats though. You get 2 points in PCS just for being the new blonde girl. I feel for Wagner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavender View Post
    ITA and if you've read any of the articles Edmund is really in love…………with herself. LOL… not a fan That's just my opinion.

    Yeah, her remarks about how she has the best technical content of anyone, blah blah blah... major side-eye. I get that she's a young'un, but her people should be coaching her to be a bit more diplomatic with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daisies View Post
    The level has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the element.
    If you don't execute a required step/turn well enough then it doesn't count and you lose the level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noidont View Post
    Judging is always shady at US Nats though. You get 2 points in PCS just for being the new blonde girl.
    Bwahahahahahaha. This is SO TRUE. And I was not unduly impressed with Ms Edmund. Nice jumps but it's a cutesy kiddie program. When you look back, you realize just how *smart* Frank Carroll and Michelle Kwan were with the Salome program. There's more to skating than jumps, and you can sum it up in one word: Credibility.

    Of course anyone asking for figure skating judging to be flawlessly credible needs to share their meds with me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by breathesgelatin View Post
    Yeah, her remarks about how she has the best technical content of anyone, blah blah blah... major side-eye. I get that she's a young'un, but her people should be coaching her to be a bit more diplomatic with this.
    In a way, I find it refreshing. I get a bit bored when there isn't some off ice drama or snarkiness

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    Quote Originally Posted by noidont View Post
    How can anyone compare Edmunds to Radionova. Radionova is 4th at GPF, Edmunds 4th at JGPF...Radionova is so many miles more artistic than Edmunds.

    Judging is always shady at US Nats though. You get 2 points in PCS just for being the new blonde girl. I feel for Wagner.
    I completely disagree - Edmuns skated with great strength and confidence and her jumps are much higher than Radionova

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    It's also 3 years in a row where she hasn't delivered at the big stages. So what's the point? She's not going to be a factor in Sochi. Let some new blood in.
    Big Stage=4CC. Deliver=win the competition.
    "Ashley Wagner is the 2012 Four Continents champion, 2012 Grand Prix Final silver medalist, 2012 Skate America champion, 2012 and 2013 Trophée Eric Bompard champion, 2012 and 2013 U.S. national champion. Her highest World Championship placement is fourth in 2012."
    All that was within those last 3 years in a row you mentioned...

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