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    It would not have been outrageous if they gave Plushenko the spot outright even after the Nationals results. It's just the way things are panning out.

    I don't want it, lose Nationals, still saying I don't want it, now I want it and I demand it.

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    After his euros announcement- obvious retirement- they probably already decided kovtun and told him and tarasova.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyLex View Post
    Not that I'm on Plushenko's side or his fan by any means... but why is it so outrageous to some, if no longer than a month ago Takahashi was awarded an Olympic spot he also lost at his nationals? (to be clear, I love Takahashi)
    The only difference I see here is that Plush demands the spot, whereas Daisuke was totally ready to accept staying at home.

    Why don't they just send both to Europeans and tell them it is an ultimate test - whoever places better there, goes to Sochi?
    Takahashi did not rant after Japanese Nationals before the team was named that he deserves to go to Sochi over Kozuka/Oda.

    You do not see anything outrageous in Plushenko losing Russian nationals and then demanding a spot... and thus denying Kovtun - who won Russian nationals fair and square - from competing in Sochi?

    Yes, they should send both to Europeans as a second ultimate test, and if Plushenko wanted to have a shot at Sochi after losing Russian nationals he shouldn't have taken himself off the Euro team.

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    I want Plushenko, not that lucky Maxim. Plushenko is powerful and graceful at the same time. and he is too a several times European Champs. Maxim... maybe only a few international medals. I d rather choose Plushenko

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    Plushenko changes mind, demands Sochi place. OK...

    I would have been fine with Plushenko changes mind, demands Euro place (... to earn Sochi place)
    If he's not willing to do that, then he shouldn't get to go to Sochi. It sometimes really is that simple.
    Of course the Russian Federation could "kick someone (Menshov, 4th at RN) off the Euro team" if they wanted to. It wouldn't be the first time for Menshov to get pushed around.
    I hope that no nore people are going to say this is all a misunderstanding because Plushy didn't know the rules.
    Seriously, this is just nasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    ^ It looks that way. He had the opportunity to go to EC but he passed it up. One can only assume that his body was not up to another test right before the Olympics. If only his temperament were more like Daisuke's they may have gone with him. But honestly, Kovtun earned it. If Plushenko wanted it he should have fought for the opportunity WHEN he had the chance.
    Exactly. It was an incredibly stupid move on his part. At the worst, he could have said "Yeah I'll do Euros" and then pulled out if he wasn't feeling up to it. Between announcing himself as the team event representative and deciding not to do Euros (when it was obviously his shot to prove he deserved to go to the Olympics over Kovtun), he really has jumped the gun. After Russian Nationals, he should have tucked his tail between his legs, and built towards Euros in hopes of defeating Kovtun and THEN he could have made a case for being the representative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplyLex View Post
    Not that I'm on Plushenko's side or his fan by any means... but why is it so outrageous to some, if no longer than a month ago Takahashi was awarded an Olympic spot he also lost at his nationals? (to be clear, I love Takahashi)
    The only difference I see here is that Plush demands the spot, whereas Daisuke was totally ready to accept staying at home.
    Plushenko is saying that his last good performance, which was the 2013RN over 1 year ago, is more representative of what he's able to do now than Kovtun's performances this entire season.
    That's why it seemed obvious that to go to Sochi, Plushenko would have to prove he's able to give a good performance. Now, not 1 year ago.

    Why don't they just send both to Europeans and tell them it is an ultimate test - whoever places better there, goes to Sochi?
    He would have been qualified for Euros, but he didn't want to go.
    Even now, he isn't asking for a spot at Euros, he wants the Sochi spot directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YunaVN View Post
    I want Plushenko, not that lucky Maxim. Plushenko is powerful and graceful at the same time. and he is too a several times European Champs. Maxim... maybe only a few international medals. I d rather choose Plushenko
    Maxim is hardly lucky. He has placed 2nd at two Grand Prix events this year and won Russian Nationals.

    Plushenko's wins in the past don't matter if he's not the best Russian skater at this point in time. And his Russian Nationals FS proved that Plushenko isn't at the form he was when he "won Euros several times".

    Plushenko is resting on his laurels, and blasting Kovtun's comparative lack of experience is such sour grapes. Instead of saying why someone else who defeated him shouldn't be on the team, he should have been skating his butt off at Euros trying to get on the team. This is not a classy way to go out.

    I'm glad Tarasova is in Kovtun's corner because if Kovtun had a not as prominent coach, Plushenko's whining might have easily swayed the Russian federation.

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    I seem to be trying to repeat the same information again and again these days. I'll say this once.

    Two things:

    1. This is the context in which Plushenko said that he would skate only the team competition. This was immediately after his Russian Nationals LP (link):

    - Evgeni, you said that you will miss the European Championship. But which tournament you will choose at the Olympics - Team or individual?
    - At Europe I really did not go - in any case. At the Olympics, I think, I will choose a team tournament, while to a young and promising athlete I will give individual competitions. I have good judgment and appropriately assess all - for me will be enough to participate in the team competition, in which the Russian team can count on gold!
    He was asked, directly, to choose. It was an interesting and highly unusual question, wasn't it?

    2. As Tatjana Flade found out after talking to him, Plushenko had the wrong understanding of the rule modification that the Russian Skating Fed. obtained (which, IIRC, happened around late November). This is what she wrote on FSU:

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    About the team event/individual event, he said he thought one skater can do the team and one skater can do the individual event. I explained that this is not possible. He then said he thinks he could do both events as there is enough time in between to recover. He also said it will be whatever the Federation decides and he doesn't want to comment on who should be selected for the Games.
    Given this, I am curious:

    1. What could have prompted the reporter to ask such a question?
    2. What could have prompted Plushenko to answer as he did, at that moment?
    3. Considering 2, why is it that Plushenko knew about the rule modification, but knew it wrong?

    This new interview is consistent with what Flade wrote about his reaction, as soon as she explained the truth to him. If there are to be any plans of playing the rules by withdrawing citing injuries after the team event (which was what many people here were outraged about before), he is not going to be party to it.

    As for "demanding" the spot, this is what Plushenko actually said (link):

    “It is for President of the Figure Skating Federation of Russia Aleksandr Gorshkov and Federation General Director Valentin Piseyev to decide who will represent Russia in the Sochi Olympics,” Plushenko said.
    (European Championships is another matter, BTW. Flade also wrote that it would be fairest for Plushenko, Kovtun and Voronov all to go to the Euros. I will only mention that although Plushenko said that he would not go to the Euros immediately after the LP, he said later that he would reconsider. However, Piseev then confirmed that Plushenko would not go to the Euros, before the coaches' council met regarding the Euros list. After it came out without Plushenko's name on it, he still said at the gala that he "did not rule out" going. Take these as you will.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    Plushenko is saying that his last good performance, which was the 2013RN over 1 year ago, is more representative of what he's able to do now than Kovtun's performances this entire season.
    That's why it seemed obvious that to go to Sochi, Plushenko would have to prove he's able to give a good performance. Now, not 1 year ago.

    He would have been qualified for Euros, but he didn't want to go.
    Even now, he isn't asking for a spot at Euros, he wants the Sochi spot directly.
    That is the most mind-boggling thing. Between claiming himself as the Team event representative and demanding that he go to Sochi over the Russian national champion reeks of entitlement. It's like he feels going to Euros and earning his spot is beneath him.

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    I wish Plushenko would just go away. He's past his sell-by date. Have him come out to light the Olympic cauldron; he'll get the attention he needs and Kovtun will deservedly be able to compete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oreo View Post
    I wish Plushenko would just go away. He's past his sell-by date. Have him come out to light the Olympic cauldron; he'll get the attention he needs and Kovtun will deservedly be able to compete.
    I would have been fine with him lighting the flame or handing it off.

    But that was before he threw his fellow compatriot under the bus in a very unsportsmanlike manner.

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    If Plushenko wanted to prove he's better then the kid he shouldn't have said he wasn't going to go to Europeans. If his body can't stand the strain of competing then he needs to just go away. But i bet he knows that Kovtun would beat him again and his ego can't stand that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    If Plushenko wanted to prove he's better then the kid he shouldn't have said he wasn't going to go to Europeans. If his body can't stand the strain of competing then he needs to just go away. But i bet he knows that Kovtun would beat him again and his ego can't stand that.
    Whatever his motivation for skipping Euros he couldn't do it. He could have won Russian nationals and skipped it but couldn't Russian and skip it. He had to know this all along. No euros-no Olympics. So he just retired back in December. Because if he can't beat Kovtun he can't beat 17th place person in the world. He does keep bringing up Kovtun 17th place at worlds and he can't lose to that! That is Kovtun's skating under pressure. 17th place in the world. Kovtun made the GPF and bombed there. He's doing the most poorly done quads in skating and the quads with the probably the shortest sustainable technique for doing a jump I have ever seen! Lose to that and you are out! He's just over and doing mostly doubles in his free skate in Russian nationals was just it! That's why you had the no Euros/ really retirement announcement.

    I don't know whats a tabloid site and what isn't in Russia. So I don't know where this stuff come from regarding statements by Plushenko or if they are real. But I do know hes skipping Euros and not skating anywhere in the world at all so hes retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I would have been fine with him lighting the flame or handing it off.

    But that was before he threw his fellow compatriot under the bus in a very unsportsmanlike manner.
    And Kovtun threw Menshov under the bus last year, too.

    Before very hastily deleting the nasty tweets.

    Kovtun's no angel. In fact, he makes for a pretty poor role model.

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