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Liam is going to be buried at the oly's and world;s . He is not known internationally and he is a Jason Brown type. But Jason has far more exposure than Liam and lands his 3A far more consistently Liam is not even close to consistently landing it even chan is better. Probably Jeffrey Buttle for that matter.
Congratulations to the Canadian team. Love them all though was disappointed for those who didn't make it. Fortunately, no drama otherwise, this thread will be 100 pages long!
Go Team Canada.
Lovely. Everyone I would have wanted in the team ended up third like Lacoste or fourth Of my faves only W/P made it.
Anyway, congrats to everyone and good luck.
Do we know something about World team? Or is it gonna be the same?
I'm unfamiliar with Liam Firus.
What more well-known skater might he be compared to?
Is he like Max Aaron, or he is more like Adam Rippon... I'm not saying this correctly... generally I'm just looking for a description of his skating.
I think he skates like a young Patrick - he is a lyrical skater with excellent blade skills.
Yes he has problems with his Triple Axel but I think that will improve with Krall.
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My feeling exactly. would add Natasha/Mervin...;;;; Most of them are still young, so I sincerely hope all of them will continue their competitive skating towards 2018.
Originally Posted by FSGMT
I know it was a very long shot but I feel really sorry for Ten as well. Firus' SS are absolutely exceptional but Ten's basics were very good also and he always skated with a lot of speed and showed clean lines. Is he retiring now or will he continue?
TES is based on executed elements. PCS is based on PCS criteria. And yes, CH is just one of five. I know all that.
Originally Posted by wasabi
I was talking about the 'program' as in: its concept, idea and purpose, the skaters' body movement, the use of space, the connecting movements and so on and so forth.
Had the judges rewarded all of the above appropriately, Gilles/Poirer would have probably crushed Paul/Islam on the PCS at least, in the FD.
I never thought I would agree with you but I do about G&P. They really should have won the FD handily. While P/I had a beautiful skate it was a forgettable one.
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Well.. "the eye of the beholder ", etc.
That was the first time G/P have been scored appropriately in Canadian competition , instead of being grossly over scored.
I appreciate the originality of the concept of their program, some of their unique moves , and they certainly displayed more in the way of transitions than they have in the past , but still do not have the togetherness of P/I, the ease of movement or flow.. If G/P keep on with the improvement as a couple they have displayed this year , it will again be close between the two teams next year.
No one can argue that P/I have been unduly favoured by the judging in the past , and that's still the case. The skaters know what the other teams are capable of and I'm sure , the content of their opponents' programs. If you saw CTV's coverage , there was a lengthy shot of G/P and probably Carol Lane looking not just nervous, but very downcast backstage, while P/I were still receiving their ovation... well before the marks had been given. They knew exactly what they were up against , and that the outcome could reasonably not go in their favour.
I think this was one of the best adjudicated Canadians we've seen in some years.
ETA; Though this is not a contoversial decision , I hope G/P follow W/P's example from the last quadrennial , and go on to improve and shine at their next competition ( possibly 4cc ? ).
There are 5 PCS, covering different aspects of skating and it's the judges' job to reward them appropriately. By all means put P/I ahead on SS, for example, because of their flow and the fact their skating skills are more evenly matched. But G/P should have been rewarded on components like CH.
Originally Posted by colleen o'neill
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Ziggy , I respect your opinion , but I can't agree that G/P's choreography should have been more highly rewarded, at least by the criteria that it can be judged by... except perhaps originality of concept .. but that's only one of the factors in the mark for choreography. ..And what should that trump, on it's own ? If that was the one defining factor , arguably , you could wind up with a team of much less skill and refinement winning. ( I'm referring to some hypothetical couple .) An original idea is not enough , on it's own.
I was not in the rink , but I've heard no objection to the placement of P/I's elements, and even on TV, you can tell that their program uses the available ice surface fully.Their choreography, too , incorporates some unique lifts .. and it weaves the elements together seamlessly ( I would say better than G/P's program ). In a way , I'm glad that originality is not more highly rewarded. It should definitely be rewarded, but equally with the other components of choreography...Otherwise, we'd wind up with everybody just trying to be more different than the next couple , and I shudder to think what grotesque paths that could lead us down.
As far as I can see , any of the criteria that choreography is judged by , needs to be balanced by the others.
P/I didnt have the je ne sais quoi to take them out of the pack. There is a special quality in their skating that they need to bring out. Hence the comments of them being VM lite. Hopefully Krylova can bring them along for the next quad.
In the past Skate Canada seemed to have favoured GP unduly and that wasnt right but they have now come a long way.
They have stated that they are in for the long haul so hopefully we will see some more improvement going forward and a healthy rivalry between the two teams. Unfortunately if VM dont skate worlds we will likely be back to two dance teams.
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I've never bought into the " VM lite " label. I find it a rather shallow assessment. What, should any couple in Canada who happens to be blessed with balletic lines unlearn them , in case they should be compared ? Sorry, girls .. you can never again wear a colour previously worn by Tessa ( and that doesn't leave you much choice ) ... and no romantic programs for you , either , or you'll be labelled wannabes. .. I think the label is most unfair , and it's often repeated by people who are ardent fans of other couples , and should be taken with a grain of salt.
P/I have come such a long way in their outward presentation in the time that they've been with K&C , I think we are seeing them being brought along , now. I believe they will progress further , but I have always seen them as their own entity. Mitch is very different from Scott , and I frankly don't see him adopting any particularly Scott-like mannerisms. Though Tessa and Alex both obviously have had a lot of dance training , Alex has an ethereal quality that is all her own.
They've certainly stood out from the pack for me since they first came on the scene, and je ne sais quois , like beauty is often in the eye of the beholder. I've always thought they had plenty .. I think for fans there's always going to be a split between those preferring a more dance-like quality and those preferring a more acrobatic one.
At the same time, I don't think G/P have an indefinable quality at all. What they have is obvious..strength, attack,and a commitment to have attention grabbing elements in their programs , and hard-sell acting from Piper . I don't say that can't be what it takes to win if combined with SS and other criteria ... but it really wasn't enough , this time , even though they've improved ... Next year, who knows ? We know they all work hard.