01-28-2014, 02:20 PM
In my opinion they really shouldn't be getting points at all for a fall. Apparently Dick Button agrees...
When you have a skater falling 3 times placing above someone who appears fine but cheated the jump landings slightly...you've got a problem. Of course, UR should be taken into account too but honestly it should not be worse than falling down.
01-28-2014, 02:23 PM
The landing is only one aspect of the jump. You can make mistakes on the take-off (wrong edge, etc), in the air (leaning, short of rotation), and on the landing (two-foot, fall). Yes, a fall is the most obvious error but why should that error negate all the other positive aspects of the jump? Even if Button agrees, the ISU as an organization doesn't and I'm sure Chan's coach doesn't.
Originally Posted by R.D.
01-28-2014, 02:29 PM
In basketball - do you get 1 or 1.5 points for a jump shot that "almost" went in? Of course not. It's either good (2) or no good (0). I just cannot understand why a failed jump should be rewarded the way it is now. *shrug*
01-28-2014, 02:31 PM
Jumps aren't ask black and white as a basketball goal. You can toss the ball in with one hand, or two hands, but they score the same. Should all jumps be scored the same regardless of how the skater leaves the ice? Are you suggesting a jump should be awarded either full credit or no credit, without regard to quality?
Originally Posted by R.D.
01-28-2014, 02:36 PM
I understand what you mean. Things are pretty different around here. By doing that kind of things, they send their skater to higher level than reality. Kind of building a pretty profile for the coach. With the right connections, +GOE happens from time to time.
Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy
01-29-2014, 11:04 PM
Neither one is at their peak! Ashley doesn't have the difficulty and Mirai is out of shape and condition. Not to mention she never could really fully rotate her jumps. It's time for some new blood. It's not the same sport is was in 2010.
Ashley was at her peak in 2010. Had she landed that lutz at 2010 Nationals she would have probably gone on to the Olympics and medaled. If anything I think her TES and PC have weakened compared to 2009-2012. She's just not the same skater or competitor. And she still can't stop two footing!!
Mirai lost her edge and drive 3 seasons ago. This year's Nationals was too little too late.
Skater's just don't have the longevity that they did during the 6.0 era. I think it has a lot to do with injuries due to the jumps.
Growth spurts ruined Caroline Zhang. Injuries and nerves destroyed Alissa. And Rachael was consistent but stiff and slow.
I think Mirai needs to move on. It's sad but that's just the way it is. BTW I respect and adore all the skaters I mentioned.
PS. I'm glad Frank revamped Gracie's artistry but he ruined her huge jumps. Sometimes choreographers and coaches can really spoil a powerful skater.
01-29-2014, 11:21 PM
You say that 'growth spurts ruined Caroline Zhang'. You seem to forget that Mirai had to deal with not one (2009) but two (post 2011) growth spurts. She changed physically quite a bit from 2011 4CCs to when she arrived at Nationals 2012. She used to be rather slender like Yuna and Mao. Now she has a much more athletic build, especially in the thighs/legs. That can't have helped her with her jump issues, adjusting to a new body yet again after 2010/2011.
01-29-2014, 11:28 PM