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Because they are brain washed by the korean tv station.
Can Gracie win the gold in Sochi?
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Because they are brain washed by the korean tv station.
You're delusional.
Both of those 3/3's are short. Rip the video off of YouTube in 1080p and load the file into a video analysis application. I did, did you?
As for Gold's air position, Lutz then Toe:
In Gymnastics terms () there is nothing to deduct from that air position. The position she has for rotating the triple toe, in particular, is literally textbook. The lutz doesn't need to be that tight (though it still is) as she finishes rotating the jump (IJS clean rotation) about 4-5 inches off the ice (she actually opens up in the air before the landing, otherwise she'll over rotate it).
That combination Gold did is better than both of Kim's combination, in practically every way.
I find it odd that people consider Yuna Kim a technical phenom in jumping - a skater who has never had a consistent triple loop, and who is slightly above average, at best, in spinning.
So I'm surprised people are trying to dog her for her triple-triple.
Well, from what I could see, Yuna's 3-3 is better than Gracie. She's got the height, distance, flow in the landing.
Air position is nothing to deduct, but perfect airposition is something to got +GOE in figure skating.
She has been dinged for URing the 3/3 before.
Gracie's 3-3 is better.
The Lutz and the Toe are both completely rotated, there is no hook on the landing of Gracie's jumps. Yuna's 3-3's at Korean Nationals both should have gotten '<' on the 3T.
The reason why Gracie can fully rotate a triple toe that is half the height of her Triple Lutz is precicely because her air position is virtually flawless and super tight. This allows a skater to rotate quicker and check the jump better on the landing, which is why she tends to get better toe loop take-offs than Yuna Kim after her Lutz.
Yuna is a lot more wrapped on her landings than Gracie is, and her landings on that combination is not as secure and solid as Gracie's. Gracie's landing is more "Let's showcase this" while Yuna's Landing is more "whew, glad that's over with."
Everyone knows Yuna's Lutz is huge, though. That's the only "huge" part of that combination. In many cases, she take-off for her triple toe without drawing her free foot back which actually results in her URing the back half of that combo, or coming very very close to URing it. That is *not* good technique, at all.
Unless Kim retired suddenly, expecting to have a "Can Gold win the OGM" thread without discussing her opponents - Kim especially, being the OGM favorite, is a bit naïve.
is that why Gold was 6th and Yuna was 1st at 2013 Worlds? According to your biased opinion, Gold should've gotten GOLD at 2013 Worlds. But she didn't so your opinion is garbage
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Funny, you just came to told us not to talk about Yuna in this thread yet you are still talking about her.
Yeah, Ted barton who made current judging system is brainwashed too by Korean Media. Isn't it Funny?
“Technically, she’s the greatest of all time,” Ted Barton, a Canadian who helped devise the current points-based scoring system, said at the time. “If she skates a little longer and does this over the next three or four years, she will be the greatest skater of all time.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/s...-may-shine-brighter.html?hpw&rref=sports&_r=0
Uhm, then maybe you should stop talking about her so other people won't talk about it either
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Back to topic, please
According this one, Gold certainly beat Yuna as long as she skate clean, no matter how Yuna skate
She has better jump, better spin and better in anything else, so why not
Then since the chance for Mao and Carol clean are very very slim, she should beat them too
Then guess what, we will have new generation with QUEEN GOLD
Gold flubbed her SP at Worlds 2013, her programs were pretty bad, and the judges wouldn't have given her the PCS to content for a Gold even if she had hit.
Hopefully we weren't born yesterday, and know how these things work...
The only thing that is garbage, is the logic you're using to respond to that post I wrote... Also, we're talking about one element out of a whole program. Please, wake the hell up.
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Back to Gracie, cause I love some of the positions she hits on her jump landings. I'm sure YNK's is better, since she's the greatest of all time...
Yuna Kim certainly skates with more speed, has way better edges and skating skills than Gold. We were talking about technical elements. I'm well aware that Gold will not eclipse Yuna in PCS. I think we all are. Gold will need to milk her jumps and spins for all they're worth to content for a top 2 spot, and even then if the top contenders are anything near clean the judges will simply throw them high PCS and a bunch of +2/+3 GOEs and it's over for anyone trying to break through there.Back to topic, please
According this one, Gold certainly beat Yuna as long as she skate clean, no matter how Yuna skate
She has better jump, better spin and better in anything else, so why not
Then since the chance for Mao and Carol clean are very very slim, she should beat them too
Then guess what, we will have new generation with QUEEN GOLD
The only skater who I think can out-PCS YNK at this point is Carolina Kostner.
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Yes but the thread title topic has already long been settled. Clearly nobody (except the OP perhaps) thinks Gold can win the OGM unless the competition is a splatfest, so we move on to talking mostly about Gold as a skater, and her progress into the future, and Kim become irrelevant in this thread (or should).
With the skaters at the top retiring after Sochi I certainly can see a World Title under her belt soon.
In 2-3 years things may get more difficult seeing what is about to get unleashed on the skating world from Russia and the US so far (and we have no clue what may pop out of Japan or China by then).
The most important thing for Gold looking towards the future is being consistent. Inconsistency tends to hold your scores down.
In 2-3 years things may get more difficult seeing what is about to get unleashed on the skating world from Russia and the US so far (and we have no clue what may pop out of Japan or China by then).
The most important thing for Gold looking towards the future is being consistent. Inconsistency tends to hold your scores down.
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Yuna has good speed until her 3-3. Gold will get there with Frank. She will be the next big star.
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this.
and besides yuna is not the only skater out there... you have others who had a better international results this season.. i really do believe if adelina skated like what she did in russian nationals and the same way w/ julia.. i think their chances are much better.. and not to mention kostner and akiko..
Gold flubbed her SP at Worlds 2013, her programs were pretty bad, and the judges wouldn't have given her the PCS to content for a Gold even if she had hit.
Hopefully we weren't born yesterday, and know how these things work...
The only thing that is garbage, is the logic you're using to respond to that post I wrote... Also, we're talking about one element out of a whole program. Please, wake the hell up.
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Back to Gracie, cause I love some of the positions she hits on her jump landings. I'm sure YNK's is better, since she's the greatest of all time...
Jeez, how personal
Please bore someone else with your non-sense opinions.what about Gracie's TES in FS at 2013 Worlds ?? Your logic is totally garbage. Why don't you email to ISU and get a job in ISU and fixing all the judging system? So you think the judges who gave more GOE to Yuna's 3-3 than Gracie's at 2013 Worlds are all biased and blind??? You are a figure skating coach or skater or experts or what?
You believe your opinion is correct and other experts and commentators who think and said Yuna's 3-3 is perfect or her technical ability is great are all blind??
You think you know about technical elements in figure skating better than people have some credit like Ted barton who made a current judging system??
Don't waste your time here why don't you get a job at ISU and teach all the blind and biased judges, experts, technical specialists?
It's way more effective rather than insisting and whining in here that YuNa's technical ability is not good, at best, slightly above average.
