06-05-2014, 10:09 AM
I argued for two years on this and another forum that Mirai did not need to lose any weight and was in good shape. Listening to the repeated over the top comments of Hamilton during the Nationals broadcast concerning Nagasu's fitness made me rethink my position. Also, one of the posters I respect the most on this forum, Blades of Passion, suggested a few months ago that Mirai's career was not necessarily in a downward spiral if she got in better shape and was more careful in her eating habits. He may have suggested other changes, but those I remember.
Originally Posted by karne
There clearly is a difference, im my mind, between a healthy weight and a competitive weight. A healthy weight might be a range, from say 105 pounds up to115-120 or more. While a skater may still be healthy with another 10 pounds, she would no longer be competitive. No, I don't know the ideal competitive weight for any particular skater. If you see Nagasu stand next to a Gold or an Asada, they are both noticably thinner. Some on these forums, not I, have suggested that Gold and Asada were too thin. Gold and Asada, both about the same height as Nagasu, also currently skate faster and are better jumpers. If you re read my original post, I said it "may be helpful" for Nagasu to lose 2-3 pounds, not that she "must" lose 2-3 pounds. That is something that she and her coach must decide.
Thanks again for the details of the Joshua incident. It sounds quite ugly and I am glad I never saw it live.
06-05-2014, 10:33 AM
Wicked Yankee Girl
I did see it live. Josh tried every jump on his broken leg, and fell on every one, in obvious, continuous pain. If Tom Z had any sense, if it were possible, he would have done something to stop the kid from proceeding in a way that could only cause even more physical damage. I presume he could have gone to the ref and asked him to stop the music.? If it idn't possible. it should be?
It was appalling, but when I heard what Tom Z had to say about it, I question whether he should ever be allowed to coach anyone.
06-05-2014, 10:55 AM
Rejoicing in the land of Kwan
Agreed. I do think he's a solid technical coach and it seems like he and Mirai get along well and might work well together...but I seriously question his judgment when it comes to the well-being of his skaters. His disregard for skaters who are injured/in pain is very disturbing to me.
Originally Posted by dorispulaski
06-05-2014, 11:18 AM
There's weight and there's toning and there's endurance. They're all different but they're all related when it comes to skating...
06-05-2014, 12:36 PM
Yes, and it is all related to training. Mirai has been without one consistent coach throughout her season, so her training has been irregular and inconsistent as well. It's no wonder she struggles with stamina and has to focus so hard on getting through each program.
Originally Posted by thom
Mirai may not be overweight, but she is not toned, and she needs to be.
06-11-2014, 10:49 AM
Mirai is in Japan with Mao Asada. Perhaps the coach is Japanese. (for the love of the skate gods, not Tom Z)
06-11-2014, 11:29 AM
At the rink. Again.
There is a difference between "out of shape" and "out of skating shape". Part of the second is building the endurance to get through your program cleanly/with consistent energy. The ONLY way to really build that up is run throughs every day and building that library of self confidence that you CAN do the program, even at your worst. There is also the "skating like a lard ---" as one of my coaches so indelicately calls it (in a nice way). It has nothing to do with being overweight, it is basically the "looking heavy on the ice". We had a talk about this at my last lesson because we were at an unfamiliar rink (regular rink down for maintenance) with a LOT of skaters out there in unfamiliar skating patterns which made me look labored and (also feel besides look) cautious on the ice (even though that is definitely not the case that I was labored, but I was cautious because of the unfamiliarity). This is the projection that Nagasu gives a lot of the time when she is competing. His solution for this was for me to go out and attack the skill we were working on which eliminated that look and made him MUCH less critical...Nagasu just needs to ATTACK her program.
06-11-2014, 11:29 AM
I don't think it means she was in Japan. The photos are more likely from when they were in Kazakhstan doing Denis Ten's show together.
Originally Posted by icellist
06-11-2014, 02:08 PM
I have a feeling that she should skate for Japan, she would benefit more success and respect here.
Originally Posted by Mrs. P
And, also, this would improve her confidence because how to built a confidence when you know that your federation (USA) doesn't give you any hope and respect.
USFS seems to protect only the skater with sponsor, the rest of them are like nothing for them. Sad, but we all know what will happens in the next quad: USFS will protect Gracie, Polina and Ashley for the next four year and the other skater will skate for nothing even if they beat one of them.
I'm sure that Mirai would be the fighter skater that we all know if she skate for a federation who supports her, such as Japan.
06-11-2014, 02:57 PM
Mirai will not skate for Japan. She's a all american girl and isn't going to give up her American citizenship to skate for Japan.
06-11-2014, 03:35 PM
Mirai might not be treated so well if she did skate for Japan. Look at what has happened with Daisuke Murakami, who skated briefly for USA in the JGP, then skated for Japan. He has been relegated to B events only and has had a second-string career. If Mirai didn't finish top 6 at Japan Nationals (and that could easily happen) she could expect the same kind of treatment.
06-11-2014, 03:38 PM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
Gedevanishvili competed at Junior Worlds 3 years after going to the Olympics and USFSA has sent several skaters to Jr. Worlds after already having gone to Senior. If Polina ends up 4th at 2015 Nationals, I'm pretty sure they'll put her on the Jr. World team.
Originally Posted by mskater93
06-11-2014, 04:19 PM
Golly can we please cool it with the "Pity Mirai" party? There's nothing to be gained for Mirai by having fans go on about how life is so unfair for her. It's not the federation's job to give "hope" and "respect." One stellar performance at U.S. Nationals after two sub-par ones does not mean the federation is going to magically start supporting her.
Originally Posted by coolboogie22
Also, just because Akiko and Mao (for the season) won't be around doesn't mean it would be a walk in the park for Japan for Mirai. Satoko is a very strong competitor and Haruka Imai seems to have some momentum. Not to mention some of the up and coming juniors.
I think there's a new rule in place as of 2014-2015 that prohibits skaters from going by to the junior level once they have skated at the senior level. I don't know that for sure.
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion
Last edited by Mrs. P; 06-11-2014 at 04:21 PM.
06-11-2014, 05:45 PM
The rule is that in the 2014-2015 season, once a junior skater has skated in two senior events, that skater can no longer compete at the junior level. If Polina does the GP this fall (and I'm sure she will), she can't go to 2015 JW. But any junior-eligible US skater who has competed in a JGP and then does the US International Senior B competition in September could continue to compete as a junior as long as he/she doesn't do another senior event in the 2014-2015 season.
06-11-2014, 07:19 PM