Page 6 of 11 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 LastLast
Results 76 to 90 of 159

Thread: Five Favorites for Olympic Gold in Women's Figure Skating at Sochi 2014

  1. #76
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    430
    The advantage of having a 3-3 is to be able to put another triple in, to have a 7 triple program. However Yuna does not have another triple to put in---she doesn't have a triple loop. That's why she has the lowest base value among the top ladies. So it all depends on how the judge think, the GOE and the PCS, that's what Yuna depends on. I love Yuna's skating, but to be honest, Yuna's transition is not that good and she has about the most cross-overs comparing with other top ladies. But she does have great speed, power, and command of the ice. So Yuna win or not is really in the judges' hands, not her own hands. I don't think it's fair for Yuna to get higher PCS than Mao, they should be much closer, especially when Mao has more intricate choreography and better lines and better spins. I'm not a uber fan for any of the skaters. For this Olympics, I'm feeling about the best are Yuna, Mao, Caro, Zijun(if she's as good as last year at World), Akiko, Gold, and Julia. I wish all of these skaters skate their best. Whoever get on the podium I would be just as happy. These are my pick for medal contenders.

    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    If Yu Na hits her 3-3s (and she almost always does) she will win. In fact, she will probably win even if she misses the 3-3 in the short program. But with both 3-3s, she can make at least 2 non-fall mistakes and still win. A fall at the Olympics, especially in the long program, would be more problematic if this were not being judged under COP. But as we have seen with Patrick a fall is not fatal to a gold medal anymore, even if competitors skate clean.

  2. #77
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    4,147
    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    FlattFan still hates Lipnitskaya. Have you seen the more recent posts about how he/she will stop watching the nasty leftovers once the skaters in the Sochi batch retire? Seems like he/she is being alarmist more than anything.
    No I havent seen that. That is pretty funny. This poster is so contradictory, troll motivated, and hate filled it sounds just about right.

    According to FlattFan I guess if we have an Olympics where Ando somehow is brought in as an injury sub for Murakami and everyone skates cleanly, Kim will finish about 9th. After all this poster has already insisted Asada and Kostner skating cleanly would always easily beat a clean Kim, even the Vancouver version. However now apparently Sotnikova and Lipnitskaia are added to that list, but this poster also stated Lipnitskaia would have no hope of beating a clean Tuktamysheva or Radiaonova before the year so by extension add them too (we will just imagine Russian with given 2 extra host spots, since we already dealing with an individuals fantasy World anyway). 35 year old Michelle Kwan skating cleanly would of course beat Yu Na with her Olympics wild card, and this poster has already said Gold and Suzuki probably beat a clean Kim too so now we are down to about 10th. Kim must be the luckiest skater ever to win all those major titles and have World record scores nobody even skating 50 competitions each over the years has ever approached, when she would be lucky to scrape out a top 10 finish even with her best if others so much as skated cleanly, LOL!

  3. #78
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    268
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilvskating View Post
    The advantage of having a 3-3 is to be able to put another triple in, to have a 7 triple program. However Yuna does not have another triple to put in---she doesn't have a triple loop. That's why she has the lowest base value among the top ladies. So it all depends on how the judge think, the GOE and the PCS, that's what Yuna depends on. I love Yuna's skating, but to be honest, Yuna's transition is not that good and she has about the most cross-overs comparing with other top ladies. But she does have great speed, power, and command of the ice. So Yuna win or not is really in the judges' hands, not her own hands. I don't think it's fair for Yuna to get higher PCS than Mao, they should be much closer, especially when Mao has more intricate choreography and better lines and better spins. I'm not a uber fan for any of the skaters. For this Olympics, I'm feeling about the best are Yuna, Mao, Caro, Zijun(if she's as good as last year at World), Akiko, Gold, and Julia. I wish all of these skaters skate their best. Whoever get on the podium I would be just as happy. These are my pick for medal contenders.
    The lowest base value among top ladies? Are you kidding?

    In SP, YuNa and Gold got the second highest BV

    Both SP and FP, YuNa 61.82 Adelina 62.28 Akiko 61.04 Caro 59.83 Gold 65.48 Julia 65.78

    you see, How desperately YuNa depends on GOE and PCS.

    Mao's base value is 70+ but her 3A's success rate is 0% so far in this season.

    Do you think Caro, Akiko has more difficulty than YuNa?

    Well, YuNa's LP is full of Choreo between jumps, Her step is great as anyone as among ladies.

    Let's talk about transition. what are trasitions you think Mao has more than YuNa in her LP?

  4. #79
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    268
    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    No I havent seen that. That is pretty funny. This poster is so contradictory, troll motivated, and hate filled it sounds just about right.

    According to FlattFan I guess if we have an Olympics where Ando somehow is brought in as an injury sub for Murakami and everyone skates cleanly, Kim will finish about 9th. After all this poster has already insisted Asada and Kostner skating cleanly would always easily beat a clean Kim, even the Vancouver version. However now apparently Sotnikova and Lipnitskaia are added to that list, but this poster also stated Lipnitskaia would have no hope of beating a clean Tuktamysheva or Radiaonova before the year so by extension add them too (we will just imagine Russian with given 2 extra host spots, since we already dealing with an individuals fantasy World anyway). 35 year old Michelle Kwan skating cleanly would of course beat Yu Na with her Olympics wild card, and this poster has already said Gold and Suzuki probably beat a clean Kim too so now we are down to about 10th. Kim must be the luckiest skater ever to win all those major titles and have World record scores nobody even skating 50 competitions each over the years has ever approached, when she would be lucky to scrape out a top 10 finish even with her best if others so much as skated cleanly, LOL!

  5. #80
    Rinkside
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    11
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilvskating View Post
    The advantage of having a 3-3 is to be able to put another triple in, to have a 7 triple program. However Yuna does not have another triple to put in---she doesn't have a triple loop. That's why she has the lowest base value among the top ladies. So it all depends on how the judge think, the GOE and the PCS, that's what Yuna depends on. I love Yuna's skating, but to be honest, Yuna's transition is not that good and she has about the most cross-overs comparing with other top ladies. But she does have great speed, power, and command of the ice. So Yuna win or not is really in the judges' hands, not her own hands. I don't think it's fair for Yuna to get higher PCS than Mao, they should be much closer, especially when Mao has more intricate choreography and better lines and better spins. I'm not a uber fan for any of the skaters. For this Olympics, I'm feeling about the best are Yuna, Mao, Caro, Zijun(if she's as good as last year at World), Akiko, Gold, and Julia. I wish all of these skaters skate their best. Whoever get on the podium I would be just as happy. These are my pick for medal contenders.

    Uhm yuki already cleared up much about the BV so I will just add a bit on the transition.

    SP:
    Foot-sq before 3lz-3toe
    Spread Eagle before 2axel.

    LP:
    Foot-sq before 3lz-3toe
    Ina bauer before 2axel-2toe-2loop


    And her coreography is also well received and widely praised as well as her lvl4 step sequence+lvl4 spins.

    So yes judges are the ones who are going to decide the medals but I can't agree with you that it's all up to the judges, it's really up to Yuna to skate with as little mistakes as possible.

  6. #81
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    204
    I am sorry but yuna does NOT do footwork sequence before her combination, thats her setup! I am not going to start a war for "who's the best on what" BUT in my apreciation in terms of transitions Mao's programs wins (not by much), i dont know if they are the best ones but...

  7. #82
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    268
    Quote Originally Posted by Iscariot View Post
    I am sorry but yuna does NOT do footwork sequence before her combination, thats her setup! I am not going to start a war for "who's the best on what" BUT in my apreciation in terms of transitions Mao's programs wins (not by much), i dont know if they are the best ones but...
    You mean their this season's program?

    YuNa's LP is full of Choreos and transitions before and after the jumps.

    In Mao's LP, I dont see any jump has more difficult entrance or exit than YuNa's.

    Well, we'll find out soon at the Olympics how ISU judges think about their transitions.

  8. #83
    On the Ice
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Lima, Peru
    Posts
    34
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    For the gold medal? Top 5 contenders:

    1. Kim
    2. Kim
    3. Kim
    4. Asada
    5. Miscellaneous
    But I wouldn´t mind this one:

    1. Kim or Asada
    2. Kim or Asada
    3. Kostner or Suzuki
    4. Suzuki or Wagner
    5. Miscellanious

  9. #84
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    4,147
    Quote Originally Posted by joannix View Post
    But I wouldn´t mind this one:

    1. Kim or Asada
    2. Kim or Asada
    3. Kostner or Suzuki
    4. Suzuki or Wagner
    5. Miscellanious
    Wagner at this moment has about as much chance of the GOLD medal as George Bush would have being elected chairman of the Lesbian and Gay Organization of America. If she wins a bronze medal it will be like gold to her.

  10. #85
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    308
    Quote Originally Posted by yuki90 View Post
    You mean their this season's program?

    YuNa's LP is full of Choreos and transitions before and after the jumps.

    In Mao's LP, I dont see any jump has more difficult entrance or exit than YuNa's.

    Well, we'll find out soon at the Olympics how ISU judges think about their transitions.
    Are you kidding? The only thing that Yu-Na does between her jumps is loads of crossovers. This program is shamfully tranistionless, considering it's Yu-Na Kim. Mao has quite a lot of transitions in her programs and there is much more choreography going on in there as well. Do I really have to make a full breakdown of their transitions? I will spend a lot of time providing youtube links for Yu-Na's empty set-up while you can simply go to youtube and see yourself, there is literally nothing in Yu-Na's FS apart from one difficult entrance - and ina bauer before the axel combination. Mao has lots of difficult exits and entrances and some transitions between the jumps too. Off the top of my head, both her triple flip and the triple axel in her short (!!!) have stunningly beatiful flowing difficult exits, and the loop has a difficult entry - spread eagle during the set-up. Just towards the end of the program she has a beautiful forward glide with her leg lifted behind her back. In the long, she has a spread eagle, similar glide before the flip combination, difficult exit after the sal, some steps going into the solo flip etc. If we are to count the crossovers Mao wins hands down, she has much less. I may do that if necessary but I recommend you simply watch those two programs and see yourself. If you know what a crossover look like you will surely notice that Yu-Na has them in abundance.

  11. #86
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    278
    [QUOTE=Bartek;824236]Mao has quite a lot of transitions in her programs and there is much more choreography going on in there as well. Do I really have to make a full breakdown of their transitions?

    Although I agree that Mao includes beautiful transitions/ choreography in the SP, the whole first minute of her LP just involves her chasing after her triple axels. There is no choreography/ transitions whatsoever....... The LP is painfully empty except for the beautiful, complex step-sequence at the end.

  12. #87
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    268
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartek View Post
    Are you kidding? The only thing that Yu-Na does between her jumps is loads of crossovers. This program is shamfully tranistionless, considering it's Yu-Na Kim. Mao has quite a lot of transitions in her programs and there is much more choreography going on in there as well. Do I really have to make a full breakdown of their transitions? I will spend a lot of time providing youtube links for Yu-Na's empty set-up while you can simply go to youtube and see yourself, there is literally nothing in Yu-Na's FS apart from one difficult entrance - and ina bauer before the axel combination. Mao has lots of difficult exits and entrances and some transitions between the jumps too. Off the top of my head, both her triple flip and the triple axel in her short (!!!) have stunningly beatiful flowing difficult exits, and the loop has a difficult entry - spread eagle during the set-up. Just towards the end of the program she has a beautiful forward glide with her leg lifted behind her back. In the long, she has a spread eagle, similar glide before the flip combination, difficult exit after the sal, some steps going into the solo flip etc. If we are to count the crossovers Mao wins hands down, she has much less. I may do that if necessary but I recommend you simply watch those two programs and see yourself. If you know what a crossover look like you will surely notice that Yu-Na has them in abundance.
    Wow Are you kidding? I can see many choreos and transitions in YuNa's LP.

    Very impressive choreo right after the opening 3-3, foot work preceding to the 3s-2t and

    also very unique choreo right after the 3S and beautiful tango step after the flip.

    ina bauer and very difficult spread eagle entry changing edge three times before the 2A in SP

    also foot work before her 3 flip in SP, beautiful step in the choreo squence.

    shamefully transitionless? Do you even know what transition means?

    Transition includes choreos, edge changes, steps. ect.

    I quite agreed with British Euro's commentator's opinion on Mao's LP “just Up and Down, up and down before the step..”

    I dont know exactly who the British commentator is but I remember she was British Champion .

    I really like Chris and Simon than her though.

  13. #88
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    207
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartek View Post
    Are you kidding? The only thing that Yu-Na does between her jumps is loads of crossovers. This program is shamfully tranistionless, considering it's Yu-Na Kim. Mao has quite a lot of transitions in her programs and there is much more choreography going on in there as well. Do I really have to make a full breakdown of their transitions? I will spend a lot of time providing youtube links for Yu-Na's empty set-up while you can simply go to youtube and see yourself, there is literally nothing in Yu-Na's FS apart from one difficult entrance - and ina bauer before the axel combination. Mao has lots of difficult exits and entrances and some transitions between the jumps too. Off the top of my head, both her triple flip and the triple axel in her short (!!!) have stunningly beatiful flowing difficult exits, and the loop has a difficult entry - spread eagle during the set-up. Just towards the end of the program she has a beautiful forward glide with her leg lifted behind her back. In the long, she has a spread eagle, similar glide before the flip combination, difficult exit after the sal, some steps going into the solo flip etc. If we are to count the crossovers Mao wins hands down, she has much less. I may do that if necessary but I recommend you simply watch those two programs and see yourself. If you know what a crossover look like you will surely notice that Yu-Na has them in abundance.
    After watching Mao, she needs those supposed abundant transitions for points simply because she does not quite have the jump quality that Yuna has- I have no idea what you were watching. And you've conveniently overlooked the many little forward crossovers mao does before her axels in her long. For a program that in your eyes is packed with transitions in and out with incredibly difficult entrance and exits, it sure look rather empty. It doesn't help that this endlessly packed program with barely a crossover has such weak jumps, such a letdown. Didn't see anything special after her sal in the lp, looks like some sort of walley pull(not sure of the skating term) before her flip but it doesn't seem like some incredibly difficult setup like you make it sound like. So I know you like to do these analysis to try to make Yuna rather mediocre compared to other skaters, but in the end, if all these packed transitioned footwork programs end up with barely rotated jumps that looks full of effort, what's the point in trying to inflate them to a point where they don't really live up to the expectation. Not Mao bashing, just trying to bring things down to earth.

  14. #89
    Custom Title EricRohmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    206
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilvskating View Post
    I don't think it's fair for Yuna to get higher PCS than Mao
    Sorry, the skater which should compete with Yuna in PCS is not Mao, but Caro.
    I think you will get a better picture if you see Mao(,Yuna,Caro) live or on fancam.

  15. #90
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    277
    I am not sure at this point if comparison of PCS could do any good since each score lacks of common denominator lately.

Page 6 of 11 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •