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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    Wow, do you hate Plushenko that much?
    What does Plushenko have to do with Kovtun's scores?

    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    I'm asking, because I think Kovtun getting 41+ in PCS is already a bad, bad joke. And saying Kovtun has better SS and PE than Javier... I don't agree with that at all.
    Kovtun skated on deeper edges and had more speed. SS are Fernandez's weakest point, PCS-wise.

    As far as PE goes, Kovtun showed a really strong posture and lines and all of his movements were sharp and well defined, and in character of the music (if you turned the music off, you'd immediately recognise them as Flamenco). I think Fernandez could have shown some more projection and attack (that's in the eye of the beholder, obviously) and his posture, carriage and lines are a bit weaker than Kovtun's.

    I would have probably given something like:
    Kovtun SS 7.50 TR 6.50 PE 8.75 CH 7.25 IN 8.75 = 38.75
    Fernandez SS 7.00 TR 8.00 PE 7.25 CH 7.75 IN 7.50 = 37.50

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    I understood that to be kovtun support is based in plushenko hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy
    Kovtun skated on deeper edges and had more speed. SS are Fernandez's weakest point, PCS-wise.

    As far as PE goes, Kovtun showed a really strong posture and lines and all of his movements were sharp and well defined, and in character of the music (if you turned the music off, you'd immediately recognise them as Flamenco). I think Fernandez could have shown some more projection and attack (that's in the eye of the beholder, obviously) and his posture, carriage and lines are a bit weaker than Kovtun's.

    I would have probably given something like:
    Kovtun SS 7.50 TR 6.50 PE 8.75 CH 7.25 IN 8.75 = 38.75
    Fernandez SS 7.00 TR 8.00 PE 7.25 CH 7.75 IN 7.50 = 37.50
    Being stiff and wooden has nothing to do with good posture. Kovtun might have a straight back but he sometimes looks more like he swallowed a broom, to say it in a bad way. His arms especially are really stiff and he flails them around with not much feeling to it. If you'd turn off the music, maybe everyone could see this is supposed to be a Flammenco, but I don't think it really works (and this argument is a bad one anyway, as some music is just easier to characterize in that way than other music is - jst tell any random kid to slam their toe pick into the ground and make a dramatic arm/hand gesture and most people would know what it is). He tends to overdo it and the movements look repeptitive. So I don't agree at all with "really strong posture". It's good, but for another reason than Fernandez' not more than that. Additionally, I thought Fernandez projected better than Kovtun did, who attackted his program but he looks very focused on himself and didn't really look like he minded the audience much (which is something that will come with time).

    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers
    I understood that to be kovtun support is based in plushenko hate.
    Yepp, pretty much what I meant.

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    MEN'S SHORT PROGRAM - VIDEOS & RESULT - Updated

    1. Javier FERNANDEZ (ESP) - 91.56 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy, 4th Copy
    2. Sergei VORONOV (RUS) - 85.51 Short Program, 2nd copy, 3rd Copy
    3. Tomas VERNER (CZE) - 83.51 Short Program, 2nd Copy, 3rd Copy
    4. Maxim KOVTUN (RUS) - 83.15 Short Program, 2nd copy
    5. Michal BREZINA (CZE) - 82.80 Short Program, 2nd copy, 3rd Copy
    6. Alexander MAJOROV (SWE) - 79.62 Short Program, 2nd copy
    7. Florent AMODIO (FRA)78.60 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    8. Peter LIEBERS (GER) - 77.42 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    9. Brian JOUBERT (FRA) - 73.29 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    10. Jorik HENDRICKX (BEL) - 73.21 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    11. Konstantin MENSHOV (RUS) - 72.12 Short Program, 2nd Copy
    12. Chafik BESSEGHIER (FRA) - 70.85 Short Program
    13. Alexei BYCHENKO (ISR) - 68.68 Short Program
    14. Zoltan KELEMEN (ROU) - 68.32 Short Program
    15. Maciej CIEPLUCHA (POL) - 65.84 Short Program
    16. Viktor PFEIFER (AUT) - 60.89 Short Program
    17. Stephane WALKER (SUI) - 60.54 Short Program
    18. Kim LUCINE (MON) - 60.00 Short Program
    19. Franz STREUBEL (GER) - 59.96 Short Program
    20. Javier RAYA (ESP) - 57.13 Short Program
    21. Yakov GODOROZHA (UKR) - 57.09 Short Program
    22. Pavel IGNATENKO (BLR) - 55.99 Short Program
    23. Viktor ROMANENKOV (EST) - 55.43 Short Program
    24. Paul Bonifacio PARKINSON (ITA) - 52.08

    Men's SP Groups 1+2, Men's SP Groups 3+4, Men's SP Groups 5+6
    Complete Men's SP: Part 1, Part 2

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