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Thread: Has Russia said when they'll announce their decision re: Plushenko or Kovtun 4 Olys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    I actually think they should send Voronov (or even Menshov) now.
    If he skated his SP like that at Olympics, he may not even qualify for FS.

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    I don't think Menshov is under consideration. He botched not only his Euros SP but his National one. Both times he popped the quad sal and had no combo. The article with Gorshkov didn't even mention him.

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    Plushenko doesn't have to do two quads to reach voronov and Menshov score though... He even got above Fernandez score at Sheffield with one quad and not in combo.
    Really I wouldn't want to be near RF now, they don't have a podium contender or someone who is sure to skate 4 times well enough.
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    If there are only two choices - Kovtun and Plushenko, and after the recent European Champs, I guess RD is likely to go with Plushenko.

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    I don't know but I think Plushenko is gonna be picked but only time will tell...

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    I think that russian federetion had to forget about the single competition. None of the top russian male skaters have chances for a medal there. What it counts, is the team competiotn where they need a reliable skater. So IMO is between Plushenko and Voronov.

    If i were a fan of Kovtun, i would keep my finger crossed that he is not choosed. He is still too young, has a lot of time to proove himself. But f he botches in the team competition and the team wont medal, he will be the anti-hero for the people in Russia and everybody will scream why Plushenko was not sent or why not Voronov was not sent, when Kovtun has not good showings in important competions. He himself seems to have expectation beyond his place and was made thinking he is better than he is. This is not good for his future if he won't deliver it at Olympics.

    Let Kovtun grow and improve without putting on his shoulders the expectation of the whole nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DobrinFan View Post
    Whatever their decision, that man must compete in both the team event and individual event. Speedy has cleared up the substitution rule. Substitutions for countries entering the team event due to injury or illness must be done before the start of the team event (Feb 5, 10 am deadline). If a participating athlete gets injured (Plushenko, etc) in the team event or after, he will not be replaced for the individual event. http://www.artonice.it/?q=it/node/15250
    Assuming no trickery or other written loopholes.

    Quote Originally Posted by aschiutza View Post
    I think that russian federetion had to forget about the single competition. None of the top russian male skaters have chances for a medal there. What it counts, is the team competiotn where they need a reliable skater. So IMO is between Plushenko and Voronov.

    If i were a fan of Kovtun, i would keep my finger crossed that he is not choosed. He is still too young, has a lot of time to proove himself. But f he botches in the team competition and the team wont medal, he will be the anti-hero for the people in Russia and everybody will scream why Plushenko was not sent or why not Voronov was not sent, when Kovtun has not good showings in important competions. He himself seems to have expectation beyond his place and was made thinking he is better than he is. This is not good for his future if he won't deliver it at Olympics.

    Let Kovtun grow and improve without putting on his shoulders the expectation of the whole nation.
    Pretty accurate, and if that's the case, I'd send Plushenko. Get Kovtun focusing on Worlds, where a top ten spot is realistic (especially with the expected retirements).

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    Quote Originally Posted by aschiutza View Post
    What it counts, is the team competiotn where they need a reliable skater. So IMO is between Plushenko and Voronov.
    Given that the ISU has now closed the loophole of someone being allowed to step in for him if he's injured (because of his own unfortunate statements), Plushenko is the most unreliable pick they could make.
    According to his past record of injuries, the whole attention during those OGs would be focused on "will he even show up in the next event?"
    All those athletes who fought hard to qualify for the OGs deserve more respect than having all attention taken from them, just like what happened with the Kerrigan/Harding situation in 1994. I really hope they send someone else than Plushenko.

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    Or there would be no attention for figure skating at all, as now our german eurovision sent the figure skating on the second sender and the national sender shows only bits of it.

    How many people would turn the TV for Kovtun or Voronov and how many people will tunr for Plushenko? I am not speaking abot FS and goldenskate-forums... But for the normal poeple who loves fight against the odds and legends beyond some PCS about which they have no idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aschiutza View Post
    How many people would turn the TV for Kovtun or Voronov and how many people will tunr for Plushenko? I am not speaking abot FS and goldenskate-forums... But for the normal poeple who loves fight against the odds and legends beyond some PCS about which they have no idea?
    If those are the criteria to determine who goes to the Olympic Games, then I 100% agree with you, Plushenko is by far the best option.

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    Well, yours are also subiective criteria why Plushenko shouldn't go to Olympics: i cannot see why Plushenko struggle and attention to it by the media is not respectfull to figure skating. Perhaps because i am above his age and i woudn't like to be written off from my job just because the younger ones "deserve their chance".

    My argument was not a criteria for choosing someone but why i see not as a bad thing for fugure skating if Plushenko is choosen.

    I didn't liked the style of Kwan as i was young, but i think figure skating needs now badly personalities like her and like Plushenkos. I wished she would have get the chance in her last olympics to show. A great legend she was! Normal people remember her and not Emily ( i liked Emily Hughes), who replaces her and an appearence of her, as the last bow, whould have been a special moment of the olypics, medal or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aschiutza View Post
    Well, yours are also subiective criteria why Plushenko shouldn't go to Olympics: i cannot see why Plushenko struggle and attention to it by the media is not respectfull to figure skating. Perhaps because i am above his age and i woudn't like to be written off from my job just because the younger ones "deserve their chance".

    My argument was not a criteria for choosing someone but why i see not as a bad thing for fugure skating if Plushenko is choosen.
    Lets be clear, he's not being written off because skaters are younger and "deserve their chance." People are pointing out that according to our understanding of the criteria, he hadn't earned it, and it seems that the Russian federation is doing their best to send him against reason or fairness.

    Now, like you, I'm hoping he goes for the moment/sentiment. I think Plushenko captaining the Russian team to a podium finish is a worthy climax to his career. I think the fact that he hasn't competed at a European or World Championship on home soil (there were no Euros in Russia when he competed; he withdrew from the 2005 Worlds in Moscow) is a cruel quirk of fate for a skater such as himself. But right now, I can't convince myself that it's a fair outcome to the last season of skating.

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    They must have the test skate open to the public, or at least have Kovtun's people present. The test skate could be Plushenko doing a jumpless practice runthrough and that be deemed worthy, for all we know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    They must have the test skate open to the public, or at least have Kovtun's people present. The test skate could be Plushenko doing a jumpless practice runthrough and that be deemed worthy, for all we know.
    you mean with live stream

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    Lets be clear, he's not being written off because skaters are younger and "deserve their chance." People are pointing out that according to our understanding of the criteria, he hadn't earned it, and it seems that the Russian federation is doing their best to send him against reason or fairness.
    Which are these criteria? The russian federation has sent last years number 5 to worlds. In the past they have very often send someone to european championship and when that person didn't show good performances, they send someone else to the worlds or tehy have trials for it. Do they have now other criteria?

    On which criteria was choosen Kwan for the olympic team? Where they different? Wasn't it a trial skate as well? Was this trial public or the people of Emily were there to look at it?

    For me the Russian Federation doesn't show much more support for Plushenko compared to Kovtun. But if you have in your garden an multiple champion is hard to forget about him when the others doesn't bring better performances. At the end of the day, the result is what matter to them not whom it brings it. I am sure they happily would have Kovtun to bring it, as he is young and can bring medals for more years to come (while Plushenko is at the end of his career), but sadly he is not there at the moment.

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