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    julia is a threat for gold as well as adelina. bet on it...and they have the momentum. it's up to yuna and mao how they will skate. these youngsters are hungry.

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    Okay guys, calm down. We don't have to try to break down others' express opinions when they are presented with their own rationality. Various points were made and discussed, which concludes that what matters in Sochi is how the judging panel interprets comparative merits between skaters in the most persuasive manner. Although throughout the Grand Prix, the judging practice seems to have shown inconsistency that hampers us from reliably projecting the outcome because each competition was measured independently; This preexisting confusion aggravated by indiscriminate GOEs in the scoring system makes the numeric weight in each event almost irrelevant or impossible to make comprehensive comparisons. In fact it is possible for Julia to score as fairly as she did in Grand Prix and Euro while it is equally likely that she will be categorically labeled along with Polina or Li for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTriple View Post
    Okay guys, calm down. We don't have to try to break down others' express opinions when they are presented with their own rationality. Various points were made and discussed, which concludes that what matters in Sochi is how the judging panel interprets comparative merits between skaters in the most persuasive manner. Although throughout the Grand Prix, the judging practice seems to have shown inconsistency that hampers us from reliably projecting the outcome because each competition was measured independently; This preexisting confusion aggravated by indiscriminate GOEs in the scoring system makes the numeric weight in each event almost irrelevant or impossible to make comprehensive comparisons. In fact it is possible for Julia to score as fairly as she did in Grand Prix and Euro while it is equally likely that she will be categorically labeled along with Polina or Li for that matter.
    very well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    I'm not going to say Mao should have lost in GPF but I think her score was inflated by at least 4-5 pts which would have her under 200. Wouldn't be surprised to see Mao skate similar or worse making her finish under 200pts. I don't know if that is good enough for a medal period. Who knows she certainly has amazing footwork and interpretation. By my accounts the gap between the usual Mao and the usual Julia isn't that big. Now if Mao goes clean, what are the odds of this, she will lock silver up. Who knows....stranger things have happened with skaters less slkilled than Mao!
    I felt Julia's score (especially the second mark) have been inflated more than 5pts in recent competitions. It's all a matter of opinion. Her usual performances weren't getting her PCS near 70 and scores near 140 until Europeans. She was having pretty solid performances all season, but her recent scores increased tremendously. She also did skate better but not by that much, in my opinion.

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    It is absolutely hilarious people think Julia can beat Yuna, let alone Mao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    I felt Julia's score (especially the second mark) have been inflated more than 5pts in recent competitions. It's all a matter of opinion. Her usual performances weren't getting her PCS near 70 and scores near 140 until Europeans. She was having pretty solid performances all season, but her recent scores increased tremendously. She also did skate better but not by that much, in my opinion.
    I agree that Julia's "true" PCS score should be around a 63. IMO, her PCS will be downgraded relative to Euros due to the much higher-quality of skating at the Olympics (Compared to Mao, Yu-na, Caro, Akiko, Gold, Julia's skating will look small in comparison...). My estimate is around a 65-66 for a clean performance (2-3 more points for home-town advantage).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nagoya View Post
    If both Lipnitskaia and Asada is not perfect this will be the result
    LIPNITSKAIA- cup of russia 2013 http://youtu.be/r99vlgdi3l8 Free skate = 118.56
    ASADA - Skate America 2013 http://youtu.be/VS90gggO56Q FREE SKATE = 131.37

    These are FACTS! with proven Videos , even if Lipnitskaia will not much do error than this video she will still not get close to 131.37 most probably on the mid 120's
    Yes Lipnitskaia is very good for her age but she is still human and in need of more polishing to level with yuna and mao .
    what is wrong with this thread? do you guys forget how many world championship medals that yuna and mao have won? with yuna having the world record and mao having the record of most grand prix titles?
    Lipnitskaia is still young, give her some time eventually she will be on top, not just now. Her best result will probably bronze if she beat costner and suzuki, well, she beat them before so I can see no reason why she cant beat them now in her own turf
    But won't she skate better than at cup of Russia? That was the first time she made mistakes like that in her long program in an international competition. Now that she has experienced that she knows what to do in such a situation. I think even if she makes a mistake she will pull it together for the rest of the program.

    Her scores for the FS have been 125, 131, 118, 125, and 139, her average is 128.18 points (if COR is disregarded as an aberration then it's 130.59). Her scores for the SP are 65, 66, 72, 66, and 69, her average is 68.24 (if Finlandia is disregarded then it's 68.93) Her total average score is 199.52 points. I don't know if anyone cares about these but the score shows that for her usual skate she will come in third, for her best she could come in second, and for the skate of her life plus a significant mistake from Yuna and/or Mao she could place 1st. Basically exactly what I thought before I crunched the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsLiinaLii View Post
    I might be the only one with that opinion, but I never liked Carolina and apart from her skating skills nothing excites me abput her. I'd rather watch Julia's LP five time in a row, than watch Caro's Bolero, even though everyone thinks it is a masterpiece. Mao must be clean or at least make minimum costly mistakes, otherwise I would put Julia ahead of her if Julia is clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabel_O'Reilly View Post
    But won't she skate better than at cup of Russia? That was the first time she made mistakes like that in her long program in an international competition. Now that she has experienced that she knows what to do in such a situation. I think even if she makes a mistake she will pull it together for the rest of the program.
    That we don't know until the actual competition. Julia has done extremely well so far, and I respect her for that, but she has had zero experience at senior worlds/ Olympics. Plus the fact that the Olympics are in Russia, that might put extreme pressure on her and make her crumble like in COR. But then again, if she goes clean, she will be rewarded more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsLiinaLii View Post
    I might be the only one with that opinion, but I never liked Carolina and apart from her skating skills nothing excites me abput her. I'd rather watch Julia's LP five time in a row, than watch Caro's Bolero, even though everyone thinks it is a masterpiece. Mao must be clean or at least make minimum costly mistakes, otherwise I would put Julia ahead of her if Julia is clean.
    If Caro goes clean, I would prefer her Bolero any day to Julia's FS. But the possibility of her going clean.....? idk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyjo24 View Post
    That we don't know until the actual competition. Julia has done extremely well so far, and I respect her for that, but she has had zero experience at senior worlds/ Olympics. Plus the fact that the Olympics are in Russia, that might put extreme pressure on her and make her crumble like in COR. But then again, if she goes clean, she will be rewarded more.
    This is a fair and sensible statement. All that should matter is who skates best in Sochi when it matters. Not silly notions like too junior, to old, to good not to win, and so on and so on. The best scenario is if the judges let the skaters decide the outcome. I think the top 6or7 have a fair and deserved shot at a medal. This should be upheld even at the expense of my hope for Julia getting a medal should she fail to rise to the occasion.

    I guess it's just really hard to see someone you see so much talent and promise in torn apart by silly insults and ridiculous assertions of inferiority and not stick up for them. Julia is a beautiful skater and fierce competitor and one of the hardest working athletes in any sport. I'd say that is worthy of a medal as much as ANYONE else. I may be wrong but that is at least how I feel about it. May the best win. I've got my favorites and you've got yours, lets see who can deliver and all share in the magic as friends with a common interest. Now I'm really dreaming.

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    Julia Lipnitskaia won the "Golden Podium" prize "Best Russian Athlete of Janiary 2014".
    This prize is given monthly on results of voting by SMS and on sports site.
    46.1% at first round (of 5 pretenders).
    65.8% at final round (of two pretenders with highest result of first round).

    http://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/...o-sportsmena-y
    http://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/...lotogo-piedest
    http://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/...y-piedestal-20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    and one of the hardest working athletes in any sport.
    I believe this could be said of any elite athlete. I don't know how you can quantify her as the hardest working athlete when compared to Mao, Yuna, Caro, Gracie, Ashley, Akiko, Kanako, Katelyn, Polina, Adelina, Zijun, Hanyu, Patrick, Jeremy, Jason, Javier, Tomas, or anyone else though. They ALL work hard or else they wouldn't be at this level. Period. I believe the more important thing to hard working is "are they working in the smartest way possible". The proof for this will be in the programs that are laid down. Look at the recent article on IN about Jeremy Abbott's approach to training to improve his competitive mindset and maintain his physical health for working in the smartest way possible - for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    I believe this could be said of any elite athlete. I don't know how you can quantify her as the hardest working athlete when compared to Mao, Yuna, Caro, Gracie, Ashley, Akiko, Kanako, Katelyn, Polina, Adelina, Zijun, Hanyu, Patrick, Jeremy, Jason, Javier, Tomas, or anyone else though. They ALL work hard
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    That's my point. She is every bit as deserving of a medal as ANYONE. It was in response to the people who keep saying she basically isn't worthy of this medal or that medal do to certain constraints they have on the sport. It was in no way to implicate she deserved a medal more but simply as much as any of the other girls competing. I said I wanted the best skater of the night to win. Not the most "seniorish" or reputable and so on and so forth.

    It's very easy to quantify that she is ONE of the hardest working athletes in all of sports. Look at the level of competition she has faced and measure her results. Read any article about her work out schedules and intensity level during training. If you factor in she is doing it at 15 yrs old, its easy to be wowed. I'm not saying you need to like her. I'm just trying to curb the notion that she isn't good enough for Gold and if she won it's some conspiracy or a disgrace to the sport in some way. They ALL deserve a medal, who can bring it should be the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyjo24 View Post
    That we don't know until the actual competition. Julia has done extremely well so far, and I respect her for that, but she has had zero experience at senior worlds/ Olympics.
    Julia had zero experience for:
    Junior Internationals, and won her first JGP Event,
    JGP Final, and won it,
    JrWorlds, and won it,
    GP Events, and had medal at her first GP Event,
    the same - her first GP Final,
    Senior ISU Championships, and won Euro.

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