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Thread: Can Lipnitskaya close the gap on Mao & Kim in time for the Olympics?

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    I ranked Mao #2, what else I can I do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahy View Post
    If they put a clean julia over a clean yuna, they just don't do justice - -, i mean julia's ss, the quality of jumps are a mile apart from yuna...but if yuna bombs and julia is clean then of course she deserves her win, and the possibility of seeing mao clean is 0.5%, i hope she can finally skate a clean program in the olympics...
    I think you do not understand the COP. The so called "clean" means a lot to the naked eyes. of course it is indeed important, but aside from a fact that what appears to be clean does not mean it is "clean" - there are many sub-contents need to be cleared - the COP does not operate that way. Even if you manage to perform without visible flaws, you are not automatically considered to win, or vice versa. Under the COP everything is compartmentalized and sectored; your failure of triple lutz wouldn't affect your triple axel. Moreover your fall on principle does not affect your PCS even if some judges will reflect it on the board. Instead you will get -1 mandatory deduction on that. Now what is critical in COP is your damage control. You may not like it but that's how the judging system works. The winner will be one who minimizes his damage and maximizes his merit in both TES and PCS. Your suggestion is only valid when those competitors are in equal level in every aspect of skating, which is not the case, unfortunately.

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    Did anyone see Julia received +1s GOE on the 2A she botched the landing so bad she had to leave off the triple?

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    New article entitled: 'Lipnitskaia eyes Lipinski Olympic record'. Reads:-

    Fifteen-year-old Julia Lipnitskaia, fresh from becoming the youngest woman to win the European figure skating title, has now fixed her sights on emulating American Tara Lipinski who won the Olympic gold at the same age.

    Lipinski, now 31, became the youngest individual gold medallist when she won at the 1998 Nagano Games, the year Lipnitskaia was born, after taking the world title the previous year, but retired immediately after her Olympic success.
    A somewhat misleading title. As I pointed out in my initial post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    If Lipnitskaya were to win the Olympic title, she would be at 15 years 260 days old, the 2nd youngest Ladies skater to ever win the title, missing the record of being the youngest by just 5 days (held by Tara Lipinski - 15 years 255 days old when she won in 1998). The current 2nd youngest is Sonja Henie, who was 15 years 315 days old when she won the title in 1928. Moreover, in winning at Euro's, Lipnitskaya became the youngest skater to win the European title
    However, its frightening to think that when Tara Lipinski won the Olympic title on the 20th February 1998, Julia Lipnitskaya had not yet even been born. She was born on the 5th June 1998 - 105 days after Tara's Opympic win. Doesn't time fly....!

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    My problem with Julia possibly landing on the podium at the Olympics, is that her jumps are like little tiny hops, there is no real "jump" there. I'm sorry, but Olympic level jumps should look their name "olympic" not "miniature".

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    I agree!!!!!!!!!! Plus her artistry is a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by jatale View Post
    My problem with Julia possibly landing on the podium at the Olympics, is that her jumps are like little tiny hops, there is no real "jump" there. I'm sorry, but Olympic level jumps should look their name "olympic" not "miniature".

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    For her age, her artistry is fine. It's not even close to as refined as Mao, Sotnikova, Kostner or Kim but I remember Mao's 2010 Olympic skates being wayyy too grown up for her, and thinking that she was trying so hard to project maturity that she doesn't have. At least her SP & LP are "age-appropriate", if you will. Her jumps aren't the best in the world, but they are usually fully rotated, and she is consistent. Lipinski didn't have big jumps either, but she certainly went for exceedingly high difficulty and performed well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mao88 View Post
    However, its frightening to think that when Tara Lipinski won the Olympic title on the 20th February 1998, Julia Lipnitskaya had not yet even been born. She was born on the 5th June 1998 - 105 days after Tara's Opympic win. Doesn't time fly....!
    Wow, I remember it was the first OG I watched it. And it is scary that is Lipinski and Lipintskaya too .

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    If Julia wins, then great. Kim and Asada finishing behind her? I kind of don't give a damn anymore.


    All I can say is that what makes skating great for me is that we have watched Kim, Asada, Kostner and Suzuki develop, stumble, grow and earn their merits through hard work and a very long and sustained competitive career. Julia has the potential to take over where these ladies will leave off, but if she wins, my fear would be that there's no way up for her. An OGM at 15 would be hitting the ceiling and she's only been a senior for two seasons.

    Needless to say, I wish all the ladies the best.

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    Hopefully Mao holds up. it won't be fun if she doesn't put up a fight. At the very least- even if she does, it'll be certain that she'll put out one hell of a memorable step sequence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    Did anyone see Julia received +1s GOE on the 2A she botched the landing so bad she had to leave off the triple?
    That was one bizarre 2A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tana View Post
    Well, Julia can go for the title of two-time olympic champion. If she wins gold medal in Sochi, I think she will continue competing all the way to PyeongChang in order to defend her olympic title. After all, She will be only 19 yrs old by then.
    But it is improbable, Yuna and Katarina are rare cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tana View Post
    Well, you know what they say, "NEVER SAY NEVER"...
    Of course, never say never. But Chapis's assertion is fair and reasonable based on track record. The hype over Julia is just an illusion, just as Suzuki earned in Japan nationals over 210, or Osmond won national with 207 or something. People begin to think they are all too good not to clinch the podium. the word of wisdom: skaters do not become a phenom over night. What is really annoying is that the current ISU judging trend deludes people with big number without content. Remember the 2013 Worlds, the standing won't change much in Sochi as well as the gap between top rankers and the followers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahy View Post
    If they put a clean julia over a clean yuna, they just don't do justice - -, i mean julia's ss, the quality of jumps are a mile apart from yuna...but if yuna bombs and julia is clean then of course she deserves her win, and the possibility of seeing mao clean is 0.5%, i hope she can finally skate a clean program in the olympics...
    Well, yes and no. Yu Na only does 6 triples; Julia does 7. Yu Na's jumps are better--they are better than anyone else's--but Julia has better spins and her long program is more engaging. Julia clean will score high--probably as high as Yu Na--on performance and interpretation. It would be close, overall. Yu Na would probably still win based on the GOE on her jumps and she probably gets the edge on PCS. But this would be one that would be argued about for a long time, just like Kwan and Lipinski.

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