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    Quote Originally Posted by ladybug View Post
    I missed the exhibition gala and wondered how she did. Was she able to skate well. All this pressure she is under makes me concerned that she will not be able to do her best. The people who are sending her negative messages should realize they are sending negative messages to the United States Figure Skating Olympians.
    she skated well... teared up at the end for a second... and her hairclip fell out... but the jumps were on and it was a lovely skated program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    she skated well... teared up at the end for a second... and her hairclip fell out... but the jumps were on and it was a lovely skated program.
    Wagner was in tears also as she took the ice before her gala program. (Nothing wrong with that -- I don't blame her [or Mirai] for being overcome with emotion.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    I've seen some pretty ugly things even here thrown at Ashley by "fans" of skating. Former skaters have also chimed in at first attacking Ashley personally for "taking" the spot, and then retracting their original statements to try and save face. But, yes, there's a lot of haterz that don't follow the sport as well.
    wonder who they were?? I've noticed that the skaters in general have been strangely quiet regarding the controversy - except for Gold who, when asked, gave the typical PR response

    But yes, the Wagner mud-slinging isn't just limited to the non-fans. In fact, I think some of the worst comments (gasp!) came from Nagasu fanatics and they definitely follow skating closely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    wonder who they were?? I've noticed that the skaters in general have been strangely quiet regarding the controversy - except for Gold who, when asked, gave the typical PR response

    But yes, the Wagner mud-slinging isn't just limited to the non-fans. In fact, I think some of the worst comments (gasp!) came from Nagasu fanatics and they definitely follow skating closely.
    There are certain skaters who attract rabid fans and it looks like Mirai is one of them (which is unfortunate because everything I've seen and read about her tells me she's a nice person). I'm sick of the ugliness and stupidity these hate-filled people have posted (online) and said (in newspapers).

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    I just don't get the hatred. The decision was the USFSA not Ashley. And it was in the rules. I know this is not a popular position but even though Sale and Pelletier appeared tob e the victim of salt Lake and no one will admit they appreciated the support aht they though S and P deserved gold or in the case of Mirai to go to the olympics it really causes division in skating and ultimately hurts the sport which right now is not doing well in respect to marketing/popularity. In this case there are really no winners and the spoprt ges a bad rap is being crazy but because of the media and lack of comprehension of cop and in this case the usfsa rules which arent' that different than say Japan we really get a huge uproar that shouldn't happen. such rational people have been misled into misplaced attacking Ashley. But that explains why we have wars and such. I just hope good grace, good manners and logic will rule and soon.

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    Thankfully not EVERYONE upset with the decision is going after Wagner. One VERY vocal person on twitter is lobbying for petitions and voicing displeasure, directing the ammo where it belongs (USFS, USOC) and basically leaving AW alone. Good example being set

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    wonder who they were?? I've noticed that the skaters in general have been strangely quiet regarding the controversy - except for Gold who, when asked, gave the typical PR response

    But yes, the Wagner mud-slinging isn't just limited to the non-fans. In fact, I think some of the worst comments (gasp!) came from Nagasu fanatics and they definitely follow skating closely.
    Well, what else was Gracie supposed to say? Voicing her support for either side would only throw fuel into the fire -- and let's face it, this close to the Olympics, the skaters shouldn't have anything distracting them from training and competing. The question was asked to elicit a controversial response ("US champion takes sides on Olympic controversy"); it was smart of the USOC and USFSA to have her give a neutral reply that wouldn't offend anyone.

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    thankfully attention is starting to turn elsewhere - at least that's one good thing about "the internets", attention spans are only so long anymore.

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    I personally am very surprised at the negative attitude toward Ashley from different factions. I did not expect it. Mirai has fans but she isn't Michelle Kwan in terms of fame/popularity. Imagine if they had left MK off the team after the secret skate? Fan wars- Poor Hughes girl would have been literally crucified.

    I don't think Ashley is that popular a person for one reason. She was outspoken in 2012. "It's mine to lose." People do not mind bravado from men-we expect it. Chan, Plushenko, Weir, all have been less than humble. Scott Moir another example. Men are expected to be confident. Women are losing ground everywhere. Ashley tries to be brave and confident, but we saw just how vulnerable she was. She saw Grace Gold in practice, the jumper, the future. Tall thin Gracie, looking every inch the ice princess. Ashley is beautiful-what eyes, yet we here how stunning Grace is. Ashley must have been so worried about her 3/3'a after seeing the new Grace with Frank, slimmer, blonder and jumping very well. Ash still has an artistic edge for me. But we see how she is vulnerable, and the crowd got behind Mirai, not her.

    I think Ash is misunderstood and tries to be brave. SHe tries to talk positive and there is a bit of swagger. So what. Good for her. The problem is that feminism is all but dead, and Americans still do not get behind women. We are losing ground. Hillary Clinton's loss to Obama proves we are way behind other countries regarding views toward women and women in leadership.

    Ashley may be compounding her popularity problem by her outspoken views on the Russian anti gay issue. Many skaters just shut up and think of themselves. You don't see Meryl risking her gold medal to be. Becuase I try to be logical, ie. this was a deliberated decision from USFSi.e. Ashley did not decide this route, I am surprised and disturbed at the ugliness directed toward Ashley by ? ubers of Mirai? I have to say I am shocked. Maybe Ashley knows people at GS support her and wish her well.

    I truly hope she feels angry and skates her programs like a champion. She needs to have a dose of the killer instincts of MK, Sarah Hughes, and Tara. I hope she says to heck with the nut jobs on social media. So Mirai has a few thousand fans. So what, Ashley should say. Show us Ashley, you are tough!!! We want you to skate well. So you have some enemies now. That is life. I hope she has someone sending her the good stuff.

    heck I joined twitter to tweet something good. She has more fans than anti fans.

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    I don't think Ashley is that popular a person for one reason. She was outspoken in 2012. "It's mine to lose."
    Actually I find that attitude refreshing. Not your typical ice princess. It's unfortunate she had to get on the team this way - I'm sure if she had been in the top three none of this would be happening.

    As for Wagner's likability - I find myself wavering on that. In one sense her candor is sorely welcome in a world where PR soundbytes rule. We need more outspoken skaters like her. Also, before all this mess I appreciated the way she interacted with her fans on social media (not enough skaters/public figures do that). OTOH, there have been instances (TSL interview, having seen her interact w/friends in person) where - I don't know - I get reminded of certain girls I used to know and unfortunately not in a good way. But that's different from knowing someone personally, so...I don't know what to think. I guess provided what I know/don't know, I'll give her the BOTD.

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    Gracie Gold hasn't been crucified for what she's said at Nationals (the "I do think I can take the gold, if anyone else thinks otherwise they'll have to skate well enough to beat me").

    It doesn't surprise me that fans have been so ugly to her - Ashley has never been their "it girl"... not because of what she says but what other fans have said about her.

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    As Johnny Weir said, Ashley is not a "pre-packaged skater" who says "I just wanna do my best" she says "I'm here to win". I like that, too. After a while the whole "I want to skate my best" line gets tired and feels forced and scripted. It's a double standard that males can be bold while women are expected to be all sweet and humble. There's nothing wrong with a female skater saying they want to win or the title is theirs to lose.

    Ashley does not deserve the heat she's getting, and I hope she shows everyone what she's made of. She's a fighter!

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    I appreciate both Ashley and Gracie's refreshing willingness to come right out and say that they want to win. It reminds me of 2013 Worlds, when they made it clear -- despite the "ice princess" stereotype -- that they had one mission: to earn 3 spots for the US ladies. I don't even mind when they say things like "I'm the best" and "I came here to win" because ... well, they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Gracie Gold hasn't been crucified for what she's said at Nationals (the "I do think I can take the gold, if anyone else thinks otherwise they'll have to skate well enough to beat me").

    It doesn't surprise me that fans have been so ugly to her - Ashley has never been their "it girl"... not because of what she says but what other fans have said about her.
    Wow, I had no idea Grace said that. May she skate to perfection. She can win.

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    they showed it in several of her fluff pieces during nationals.

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