What will happen in Ice Dancing this year?
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Well i can sorta understand you there, enjoy your d/w, I'm partial to G/P (FD primarily), W/P and I/K to be honest. And I also like Coombs and Buckland's MJ FD, just cooool and Cizeron/Papadakis' F/D. V/M's FD is just so so this year, albeit I like their body of work. Their S/D at GPF was the best thing I've ever seen them do in a while. Thinking about it, if they had changed the "i wanna hold your hand" exhibition into a beatles medley it may have been a really cool FD. But who knows
I like Papadakis/Cizeron, and they have interesting music for their SD this year as well. But Coombs/Buckland I don't enjoy. If there is any other couple than D/W who are not ice dancing, it is Coomes/Buckland. Nothing flows at all. He does one thing and she does something else completely different at that time. Platov is hiding their weaknesses (poor skating skills) with short hops and steps but there is almost nothing in between the big elements. Penny's small size makes their lifts very acrobatic but there is not much in between the big tricks.
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I'm sorry, I read D&W for D&S in your earlier post. I was speaking of the push behind Virtue and Moir compared to Davis and White from the Zoueva-Shpilband camp. It seemed clear that Zoueva put more effort and imagination into V&M's programs during that period.
Really Matt K, I thought they were really cute at EC? Albeit you can see them thinking through it at times, but it is miles, MILES better that that monstrosity Zueva gave S/S. Now that thing repulses me to no end. I feel like I'm being forced to watch the most corny thing ever in ice dance, and because they're so cute and fuzzy we are FORCED to like it. I JUST CAN"T BRING MYSELF TO WATCH IT AGAIN. And trust me I BEAR NO ILL WILL AGAINST THE SHIBS. Maybe after a month or two I might be bribed to take a look. And don't get me started about the music change....oh my......
Me too. I totally thought d/s meant d/w and that internally the zueva camp was doing v/m 2010 and d/w 2014. D/s may have been thought of as gold contenders in 2008 or 2009 before the 2009-2010 season began but never in the 2009-2010 season or 2010 for sure. Once they debuted their programs December 2009 everyone was unanimous. No chance for gold and maybe not even a medal. They were lucky the cd still existed. The reason they won bronze. They had the best one and his knee didn't get the extreme stress that it got in the is and fd even with he ropes and two foot skating.
I forgot d/s worlds win was nearly universally seen as corrupt and or wrong and that may have started North American domination.
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aGREED but I do like I an dK who could be top 5 or 3 even.
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It was just my opinion - and what I mean is that they do not really do the romantic stuff well at all ie tangos - they just don't have it in them it appears. And have you read almost all the posts - everyone here for the most part writes like they are God/god or facts including yourselves. I think we all like skating, some may even have a fair amount of knowledge = I think if we be hontest too much useless chater because we need somethign really to talk about. If we get enough of us going we might be able to make the Mirai / Ashly thing something tough if Polina was more "interesting it might have been a Polina and Ashley show down or whoever. We need oly's to start. I and well all of us need to stop being so personal - this is only opinion - if anyof us were so skilled we wouldn't be arm chat blogging or writing. I personally think neither D and W or V and M really are truly great champions. And that is fine because you can't always have "special" winners or the word special would be meaningless. I don't think I have really expressed a favourite unlike a lot of posters who are pretty clear who they favour. But this isn't about me
I just think D and W will win, right or wrong..There is so much wrong info here on I/k and the support they have. Which is strange because this post is filled with good info but its just wrong on I/k. Like they placed 4th in the fd at 2011 Russian nationals. Russian support for khokhlova and andreev was close to overtaking support for I/k. It's not just tarasova but zhulin and staviski that say I/k really hate working at a senior appropriate level. When I/k were skating their best in 2012 and were far supeior to b/s in every way b/s still won nationals easily. The way to show support is to give that team the national title. But they dont have support from the federation. If k/a still existed you'd have seen I/k dumped years ago. There's no support for I/k and allowing hem to do ghost was a way to say b/s is number one. Doing ghost and being coached by morozov is Russia's way of saying never will I/k be number one over b/s. I believe changing of programs is an honest attempt to make a teams chances better. Letting a team stick wíh ghost is saying "crucify this team! Ruin this teams confidence!"
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Good ol' Dick Button
I remember going through various phases over the years: First I enjoyed him, or at least found him entertaining. Then there was a phase where I got really sick of hearing him call layback spins really ugly, or "not up to par" on a regular basis... In recent years, I increasingly find myself thinking "well that layback spin wouldn't have flown by Dick Button, that's for sure!"
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Having just watched C&B, S&S, and H&D live for both the SD and FD at Boston Nationals, I've got to say that I completely agree with the order the judges placed them.
H&D were noticeably slower than the other 2 teams, made more errors, but most distressing, had considerably more problems keeping their timing right. Furthermore, C&B's SD and the Shib's FD engaged the crowd much more than H&D's programs. And H&D seemed to have a lot simpler choreography.
So, no, I don't think the judges made any mistakes. The relative sloppiness could be due to injuries and lack of practice, but the timing issues are harder to fix, if a team doesn't have innately great timing. And having music with a distinct beat, and being able to dance to that rhythm accurately, has always been key in ice dance, not just in Cop.
My one quibble with C&B would be that Madison has problems with her 2nd set of twizzles, and the team deals with this by doing them slower. S&S were tentative in the first half of the SD.
C&B were much, much better than I had expected.
H&D were noticeably slower than the other 2 teams, made more errors, but most distressing, had considerably more problems keeping their timing right. Furthermore, C&B's SD and the Shib's FD engaged the crowd much more than H&D's programs. And H&D seemed to have a lot simpler choreography.
So, no, I don't think the judges made any mistakes. The relative sloppiness could be due to injuries and lack of practice, but the timing issues are harder to fix, if a team doesn't have innately great timing. And having music with a distinct beat, and being able to dance to that rhythm accurately, has always been key in ice dance, not just in Cop.
My one quibble with C&B would be that Madison has problems with her 2nd set of twizzles, and the team deals with this by doing them slower. S&S were tentative in the first half of the SD.
C&B were much, much better than I had expected.
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At Nationals, they skated to their music . Earlier, it seemed to be too big for them, I think..the most of the program was always to "One More Day"
I agree, they actually lived up to the drama of their music. As I said I felt all the ID couples at Nationals brought it in the FD.
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Mrs. P, ITA. That was a great dance competition, top to bottom. 
Did you see 2011 Russian Nationals free dance? Yes, Khoklova & Andreev were overmarked, but I&K were overmarked as well. Their free dance was not a program but one big struggle, they were fighting with the ice and with each other in more elements. Tarasova excused them like they are young and they need to work.
What National title? In 2011 with so many mistakes? In 2012 when the couple fell in short dance? In 2013 with so simple programs with no in between elements (even in 1988 programs were more difficult). Or now in 2014 with disaster in free skate? You really want such Champions who win with falls? A team who support such unsuccesfull skating at top competitions as well (European 2014, Worlds 2013)? A team who is out of the rhythm, who is not expressing the music or story, a team with two footed skating? In this case why Shibutani or Chock didn't win US Nationals over Davis & White?
Can you explain me how is it possible that in past years the only team who is criticised for low working ethic is I&K only?
Morozov is a coach who gets the biggest money support from Russian Federation from all coaches, so you can hardly say that his students are not supported.
They are not supported because the federation let them do the Ghost dance. Any team that was supported by a federation would never have been allowed to do that ever! You were trying to make it seem like I/k are the russian number one team and that's not true because If they are overscored so bad they would be overscored to the russian national title. But the Russian national title is reserved for b/s because they are the number ones even when they make mistakes. And they have made mistakes at nationals too. Being told you don't work hard by at least three major federation people is not a good thing. Being allowed to do the ghost dance while other teams get new programs is not a good thing. All of what you are saying is why b/s has been the immovable russian number one team since post Olympics 2010. They have some support in the federation obviously but they are not the number one team at all.
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I think the difference is that Evan finally "skated big." Madison always projects to the rafters, but at Nationals Evan finally didn't just perform the moves, he performed.
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? I don't know what you were watching, but I was there, and no, D&W deserved to win US Nationals. And their timing is excellent. Timing is something that I hesitate to comment on unless I was there in the rink, since synching of video to audio feeds is often not very good, especially for on line coverage.
D&W were lots better than the other 3 teams, but C&B were clearly 2nd. D&W were especially good in the SD (which was a bit of a surprise to me, since My Fair Lady isn't a favorite of mine, but they exactly hit what the requirements are: for an elegant, light hearted ballroom quickstep for the Finnstep part, and overall a ballroom treatment. Their timing is excellent, particularly noticeable in the Finnstep, where
They really got the lightness. Just gorgeous.
Additionally, in the Finnstep check out the Choctaw, 1 1/2 twizzles about 2/3 of the way through the pattern in the corner of the rink-notice that Meryl & Charlie are carrying huge speed into the Choctaw, but don't have to go chasing one another to get back into hold after the twizzle. Sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0oRFRCUGdY
Madison & Evan had a great stage Quickstep for their Finnstep-very good, and within the rules, but didn't quite have the lightness, nor the speed of Meryl & Charlie. They also are weak in the 2nd twizzle, and the 2 positions in the lift aren't hit as clearly as I would like. However, they performed the heck out of the program.
Here's Chock & Bates' SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDaH4mfNyH0
So D&W scored about 8 points more than C&B
http://www.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2014/2014_us_fs_champs/results.html
Will both teams do as fine a job at Sochi as they did at US Nationals? Maybe not. But we now know they have it in them.
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