01-26-2014, 08:44 PM
I have also thought this! People who could have gone to Nagano as their first Olympics going to Sochi!
Originally Posted by seniorita
01-26-2014, 08:56 PM
I know we keep saying people should leave the sport when they are good and ready and that tough on the newbies if they can`t beat the veterans but soem skaters just seem a bit tired - Plushy, Joubert (they even seem to use the same performances though Joubert is trying something different this year it would not surprise me if he uses something form yesteryear. Even Verner seems a bit tired or recycled. Some of the top skaters like Davis and White and virtue and moir though young seem to have peaked. Carolina and Brian have had many chances at the olympics and they failed like Kurt Browning. Carolina has a decent medal shot but she has been given so manhy times the benefit of the doubt it is time she left. Of course, I tend to like giving heverywone their 15 minutes - the problem is when some stay around. Jenna mccorkell is one has not developed any further artistically or technically and if she isn`t careful she might not even qualify for the freeskate - if she skates like Euros she probably won`t make it. And maybe that is okay to give some other poor soul the chance to skate.
01-26-2014, 10:28 PM
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Er.. so who do you think Italy ought to send over Carolina? and France over Brian?
01-26-2014, 10:37 PM
My, but you do have lofty standards. Anyone who makes an Olympic team, especially from the power countries where there is more competition to reach Mount Olympus, whether they medal or not is far from a 'failure' as far as I am concerned. I should have 'failed' so badly in my athletic career, especially like those athletes that managed to make multiple Olympic Games, medal-less or no.
Originally Posted by Skater Boy
Perhaps a review of the Olympic Creed might help us all to put things into perspective:
The Olympic Creed
"The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well."
Baron Pierre de Coubertin, Father of the Modern Olympic Games
01-26-2014, 10:53 PM
I know this is only a side detail in your argument, but I don't think that either Davis/White or Virtue/Moir have peaked. So I don't see why they have to stand aside to make room for others. In fact, it's their efforts that have given the U.S. and Canada, respectively, three spots for ice dancing couples in both the Olympics and upcoming Worlds. So if they'd stood aside, how would newbies from their countries have benefited?
Originally Posted by Skater Boy
Plushenko is a special and unusual case, because he's such an idol in Russia. I'm not sure there are many equivalents to him anywhere--certainly not Carolina or Joubert, who do not have any history of Olympic medals. So the reasons for giving him the men's lone Olympic spot for a home-field Olympics are probably far more complex than they would be for anyone else in the world at this moment.
01-27-2014, 01:30 AM
I am just saying they should retire after this season; not that someone else was more desrving right now from their nations.
01-27-2014, 01:32 AM
Yes but others deserve to have the struggle too. I just like to see everyone have a shot and evenif itis a good fight sometimes it can be tiresome.
Originally Posted by Sasha'sSpins
01-28-2014, 06:58 PM
I wonder what medal he'll win this time. Zinc? <g>
01-28-2014, 07:44 PM
Hughes won that because she skated under 6.0. Not even comparable. If she had skated that under IJS it would have been a Slutskaya - Kwan - Cohen podium cause the judges would have murdered her on her jumps in both the SP and the FS. It would have been similar to Mirai's performance at 2013 Nationals where it looked "clean" but the judges UR'd a bunch of jumps and killed her score.
Originally Posted by Danibellerika
01-29-2014, 02:37 AM
Exactly. The younger Russians had plenty of opportunities to prove themselves and grab that lone spot for the Olympics. None of them established himself. Kovtun had the inside track after his win at the Russian Nationals, and Tarasova politicking for him since last year (he got that worlds spot last year over Menshov who finished higher than him at the RN). Last year's worlds was a disaster for Kovtun. This season has not been great either. He made it to the GPF but couldn't skate well there. He seems to skate OK when there is no pressure on him. At the RN, Plushenko's presence cushioned him. At the Euros he was Russia's top man entering the competition. He finished behind both his compatriots. I can't blame the RSF for losing confidence in him.
Originally Posted by karne
There is a risk in selecting Plushenko because he has to skate 4 programs. However, as far as the mind goes, nobody can compete against Plushenko. It's been proven numerous times. I just hope his body can handle the grueling schedule at the Olympics. His fed must have felt that he can, or they would not have selected him. There has been a lot of grumbling about Plushenko skating secretly before a committee, but Michelle Kwan did something similar in 2006, and nobody seemed to mind secrecy in her case.