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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    To think if Russia had 3 spots in Nagano, Plushenko would have gone to 5 Olys, and he is like 5 months younger than Tara Lipinski. So Imagine Lipinski still competingI think both Plushenko and Joubert will have my respect because as singles skaters it will be their 4th Olympics that if you think of it it is insane already, of i want them to do well but I dont care if they medal, I think the applause for these two will be huge.
    I have also thought this! People who could have gone to Nagano as their first Olympics going to Sochi!

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    I know we keep saying people should leave the sport when they are good and ready and that tough on the newbies if they can`t beat the veterans but soem skaters just seem a bit tired - Plushy, Joubert (they even seem to use the same performances though Joubert is trying something different this year it would not surprise me if he uses something form yesteryear. Even Verner seems a bit tired or recycled. Some of the top skaters like Davis and White and virtue and moir though young seem to have peaked. Carolina and Brian have had many chances at the olympics and they failed like Kurt Browning. Carolina has a decent medal shot but she has been given so manhy times the benefit of the doubt it is time she left. Of course, I tend to like giving heverywone their 15 minutes - the problem is when some stay around. Jenna mccorkell is one has not developed any further artistically or technically and if she isn`t careful she might not even qualify for the freeskate - if she skates like Euros she probably won`t make it. And maybe that is okay to give some other poor soul the chance to skate.

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    Er.. so who do you think Italy ought to send over Carolina? and France over Brian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I know we keep saying people should leave the sport when they are good and ready and that tough on the newbies if they can`t beat the veterans but soem skaters just seem a bit tired - Plushy, Joubert (they even seem to use the same performances though Joubert is trying something different this year it would not surprise me if he uses something form yesteryear. Even Verner seems a bit tired or recycled. Some of the top skaters like Davis and White and virtue and moir though young seem to have peaked. Carolina and Brian have had many chances at the olympics and they failed like Kurt Browning. Carolina has a decent medal shot but she has been given so manhy times the benefit of the doubt it is time she left. Of course, I tend to like giving heverywone their 15 minutes - the problem is when some stay around. Jenna mccorkell is one has not developed any further artistically or technically and if she isn`t careful she might not even qualify for the freeskate - if she skates like Euros she probably won`t make it. And maybe that is okay to give some other poor soul the chance to skate.
    My, but you do have lofty standards. Anyone who makes an Olympic team, especially from the power countries where there is more competition to reach Mount Olympus, whether they medal or not is far from a 'failure' as far as I am concerned. I should have 'failed' so badly in my athletic career, especially like those athletes that managed to make multiple Olympic Games, medal-less or no.

    Perhaps a review of the Olympic Creed might help us all to put things into perspective:

    The Olympic Creed

    "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well."
    Baron Pierre de Coubertin, Father of the Modern Olympic Games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I know we keep saying people should leave the sport when they are good and ready and that tough on the newbies if they can`t beat the veterans but soem skaters just seem a bit tired - Plushy, Joubert (they even seem to use the same performances though Joubert is trying something different this year it would not surprise me if he uses something form yesteryear. Even Verner seems a bit tired or recycled. Some of the top skaters like Davis and White and virtue and moir though young seem to have peaked. Carolina and Brian have had many chances at the olympics and they failed like Kurt Browning. Carolina has a decent medal shot but she has been given so manhy times the benefit of the doubt it is time she left. Of course, I tend to like giving heverywone their 15 minutes - the problem is when some stay around. Jenna mccorkell is one has not developed any further artistically or technically and if she isn`t careful she might not even qualify for the freeskate - if she skates like Euros she probably won`t make it. And maybe that is okay to give some other poor soul the chance to skate.
    I know this is only a side detail in your argument, but I don't think that either Davis/White or Virtue/Moir have peaked. So I don't see why they have to stand aside to make room for others. In fact, it's their efforts that have given the U.S. and Canada, respectively, three spots for ice dancing couples in both the Olympics and upcoming Worlds. So if they'd stood aside, how would newbies from their countries have benefited?

    Plushenko is a special and unusual case, because he's such an idol in Russia. I'm not sure there are many equivalents to him anywhere--certainly not Carolina or Joubert, who do not have any history of Olympic medals. So the reasons for giving him the men's lone Olympic spot for a home-field Olympics are probably far more complex than they would be for anyone else in the world at this moment.

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    I am just saying they should retire after this season; not that someone else was more desrving right now from their nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasha'sSpins View Post
    My, but you do have lofty standards. Anyone who makes an Olympic team, especially from the power countries where there is more competition to reach Mount Olympus, whether they medal or not is far from a 'failure' as far as I am concerned. I should have 'failed' so badly in my athletic career, especially like those athletes that managed to make multiple Olympic Games, medal-less or no.

    Perhaps a review of the Olympic Creed might help us all to put things into perspective:

    The Olympic Creed

    "The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well."
    Baron Pierre de Coubertin, Father of the Modern Olympic Games
    Yes but others deserve to have the struggle too. I just like to see everyone have a shot and evenif itis a good fight sometimes it can be tiresome.

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    I wonder what medal he'll win this time. Zinc? <g>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danibellerika View Post
    I think if everybody else is falling over themselves and he is the only one to rise to the occasion then he would deserve to win and that wouldn't be far off from most past Olympic results and everybody else would have no one but themselves to blame. Sarah Hughes won the OGM with under rotated jumps but she delivered the cleanest skate. This sounds like you're getting a little worked up over a fairly unlikely scenario. Could Plushenko get on the podium? Not impossible, but that would take big mistakes from others and him being clean. And that's just the podium, an actual win is something I can't even picture. Considering that he originally was only interested in the team event for an easy medal, I think even he believes the individual event is a long shot.

    Considering all of his injuries I can't fault him for trying to pace himself, especially when given no ultimatum by his federation to compete more. 4 skates at the Oympics is going to be enough of an uphill battle to deliver cleanly. I just hope he has enough gas in the tank for a compelling exhibition (that was the best part of his 2006 Olys) because you know he'll be there regardless of where he places.
    Hughes won that because she skated under 6.0. Not even comparable. If she had skated that under IJS it would have been a Slutskaya - Kwan - Cohen podium cause the judges would have murdered her on her jumps in both the SP and the FS. It would have been similar to Mirai's performance at 2013 Nationals where it looked "clean" but the judges UR'd a bunch of jumps and killed her score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    At the end of the day, it's not Plushenko's fault that none of the others stamped their authority on that spot. It's not Plushenko's fault that none of the others have taken up his crown an become consistent, excellent senior skaters. It's not Plushenko's fault that in mind and record he remains the strongest candidate.

    Kovtun has now been in four high-pressure ISU championship situations. He blew three of them. That doesn't speak well for him. All Kovtun had to do at Worlds last year was skate half-decently and he would have got the second spot and he would be going. All he had to do was hold it together at the GPF - even a midfield finish would have been better than what he did. All he had to do was medal at Euros and beat the other two Russians - and he would likely be going. But he couldn't do any of those things. If he cannot handle this pressure, then he cannot handle the Olympic pressure.

    That Plushenko can not only handle Olympic pressure but defeat it is a known fact, a known quantity, and his iron will has never faltered, nor will it do so now.
    Exactly. The younger Russians had plenty of opportunities to prove themselves and grab that lone spot for the Olympics. None of them established himself. Kovtun had the inside track after his win at the Russian Nationals, and Tarasova politicking for him since last year (he got that worlds spot last year over Menshov who finished higher than him at the RN). Last year's worlds was a disaster for Kovtun. This season has not been great either. He made it to the GPF but couldn't skate well there. He seems to skate OK when there is no pressure on him. At the RN, Plushenko's presence cushioned him. At the Euros he was Russia's top man entering the competition. He finished behind both his compatriots. I can't blame the RSF for losing confidence in him.

    There is a risk in selecting Plushenko because he has to skate 4 programs. However, as far as the mind goes, nobody can compete against Plushenko. It's been proven numerous times. I just hope his body can handle the grueling schedule at the Olympics. His fed must have felt that he can, or they would not have selected him. There has been a lot of grumbling about Plushenko skating secretly before a committee, but Michelle Kwan did something similar in 2006, and nobody seemed to mind secrecy in her case.

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