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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    You are correct, but there is "controversy" from the perspective of a knowledgable skating fan and "controversy" from the perspective of a casual viewer. If Plushenko is clean and wins and Chan falls once to come in second, it may be a controversy here because it would mean Plushenko was likely overmarked in PCS. However, in a broader sense it would not be controversial to the general public because they prefer a clean performance winning over a visibly flawed one. I don't feel that the ISU is concerned about this type of controversy. What they don't want is a skater falling multiple times and beating several clean performances.
    I thoroughly agree. The casual Olympic viewer wants to be entertained without seeing mistakes (which is why Brown, even without a quad and only 1 clean 3A in his FS, has become hugely popular). That being said, the nuances of the sport need to be upheld. Hanyu/Chan with a fall should still score higher than most other skaters, even if it's hard to justify. That being said, it's unlikely that the Olympic champion will have a fall, which makes me nervous for Hanyu's 4S. Chan has a history of errors including falls, but seems to have gotten it together this season at least in terms of staying on his feet (hopefully he can maintain that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Um, did you not see his SP and FS at Russian nationals? Even some of his own supporters admitted that the SP was garbage in terms of choreo, and the FS without the successful jumps fell flat. It's like he absolutely abandoned his choreographic progress displayed at Euros 2012 and reverted back to his formulaic basic choreography circa 2006 -- probably knowing that he could skate any basic choreo program on Sochi ice and be given high PCS marks. I'm hoping the ISU judges don't pull another Cup of Russia and simply grant him high PCS marks if he goes clean, because his programs aren't much of an improvement from his 2006 LP (which was probably his worst program in terms of content outside of the elements).
    I am totally past the idea that his Choreo and interpretation and performance can be defended or explained. The idea that his programs are empty of choreo and int performance I totally disagree and it can be proven is false. Even 2014 lp rus Nats was poor but not empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kunstrijdster View Post
    Did they claim that as the reason for not going to Euros though? I thought the reason given was to allow Plushenko to continue preparation without interruption.
    Yes that was the reason. Plushenko never cited any injury either for his loss or him skipping Euros. Mishin asked for him to be released from team Euro and RF agreed.

    This decision was made at my request. The Board agreed with my arguments that the preparations for the season started late, now we will work to increase endurance, making long test skatings, primarily Free.

    Also Euros is not 3 days, they appear there at least from Monday morning and until the Sunday Gala and I m not a skater, I dont know when they are back on training after a competition. So it is at least 8 days, this is an important week that maybe he couldnt afford this time to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    I am totally past the idea that his Choreo and interpretation and performance can be defended or explained. The idea that his programs are empty of choreo and int performance I totally disagree and it can be proven is false. Even 2014 lp rus Nats was poor but not empty.
    Well we don't literally mean empty. There is no skater at any level whose program can be deemed as ENTIRELY "empty". But at an elite level compared to most other programs, Plu's 2014 programs are totally lacking intricacy and are choreographically a step way back to his 2006 LP which was arguably the most empty program I've seen outside of the elements. Take out the elements and I guarantee that most skaters would be able to do these programs, since they're essentially just stroking around the rink with easy three turns and Mohawks as the main "transitions".

    Didn't Buttle supposedly choreograph for him? If so, he's apparently abandoned whatever choreo he did do for him.

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    No, I think Buttle choreographed something for Liza and/or Gachinsky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRK View Post
    No, I think Buttle choreographed something for Liza and/or Gachinsky?
    Right, it must have been Liza I was thinking of. Different Mishin student.

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    Gachinski's much-maligned SP was done by Buttle, and Tuktamysheva's even-more maligned LP was also done by him.

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    Interesting, seeing Buttle choreographed Yuzu's SP that was neither awful nor "empty".

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    This explains the 3day rest between the Team men's short and Team Mens long

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    I could see Plushenko being gifted in PCS, say high 8s and a PCS in the high 80s, but no more than that unless he really knocks it out of the park. That said if Plushenko somehow skated 2 clean programs with quad combos (which you never know, he is an insane competitor) and Hanyu and Chan both fell more than once, and Takahashi and any other potentially better skaters didnt skate great, the judges would probably do whatever they had to do to make sure he won, even if he arguably still wouldnt deserve to. Just for the sake of their own physical safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchie View Post
    Why not pre-moan, since we know 5 out of those 7 will happen:
    Olympics will start - check.
    Plushenko will skate - check.
    Plushenko will make some mistake on some of his jumps - check. Duh.
    Plushenko will get a medal - check, since as you guys keep pointing out, it's pretty irrelevant who the Russian Man is for the Team to medal.
    Plushenko will award himself a medal - I guess not this time around
    Plushenko will be given inflated marks - triple check. Since he always emphasized the importance of quads: Quadruple check.
    Plushenko will retire from an event - check. Either they still go for the foreshadowed switching identities thing, or he tries the individual SP and quits when he's not in the top 6.
    Plushenko will kill anyone's cat - I swear I do not know Plushy's stance on cats.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo7RfflL10 Plushenko andthe cat

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflake View Post
    My main issue with Plushenko is that he didn't have the courage to compete at Europeans. I lost respect for him because of that.
    For me that is greatest courage, he is going to stand in front of the World and skates in the home Olympics, after this decision...
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    http://www.rg.ru/2014/01/23/pravo.html google translate

    Quadruple toe loop for Sochi
    Strongest Russian skater Evgeni Plushenko won the right to go to the 2014 Games
    Lyrics: Nikolai Dolgopolov ( member for the Figure Skating Federation of Russia)

    Doors complex were open only to invitees. The rink sports facilities included on the list a dozen people : members of the Panel and several members of the Board Figure Skating Federation . Neither the press nor the fans - and one was not there.

    Upcoming rental Evgeni Plushenko . Having missed the European Championships , with coach Eugene Mishin promised to get ready for the Olympics , which , if successful, could become the fourth for Zhenya . Of the 31 years of his life 18 years of selfless vkalyvaniem 16 godkov Olympic cycles , "gold" the 2006 Olympics in Turin and two " silver " , generously paid for a dozen major surgery. Few believed that after the last of them will be on skates Eugene - with its spine worn drive insanely sick .

    And then further doubts - lost the December national championship young Kovtun . And immediately flew wherever and had to fly : old speed is not ground off teeth ...

    He unrolls on the rink in a light black suit , and this young man exuded energy , wild confidence , to curb the desire to prove to us and the rest of their right to Sochi some warm waves reach a handful of people , sitting in fur coats on cold bleachers . Zhenya was warming as the most important before the start. And it seemed to me that during the three weeks that I have not seen him on the ice, he gained speed and lowered weight. Somehow it reminded me of action Gladiator workout . Only had to win the victory over himself in the presence of people who are able to assess each movement to the smallest detail .

    Coach asked Mishin start rolling at exactly 13.30 " Marrying well warmed up , ready . Already warmed up , and it's time to start ." They all agreed : " Of course , it's time , it's time ." Then Alexei quietly told me, " We consider you part of our team ." And this - the truth. All these years, I was rooting for Plushenko.

    Mishin has distributed leaflets to all of us with the elements that should make the pupil , warning : " There are variations in the direction of complexity ."

    And for some reason I was filled with confidence, and that will turn out, and complicated. In my opinion, the same feelings experienced our most experienced referees and coaches .

    Sitting with the luminaries of the Soviet , Russian figure skating , and even with the program in hand, it was easy to receive comments . Zhenya did two quads , one of them in a cascade with a triple, all triple , then in the program. Absolutely spotless . Sometimes happened before , that his quads were not completely vertical, and some incredible skill he still came out of a difficult situation. And now , when the frost and sun and a wonderful day , were jumping and it confirmed to me all the experts are spotless .

    In the second part Plushenko like evil -wishers , inflated rate , which is not expected from him . Rotation did - probably not the strongest element of it , but quite acceptable . Mishin was terribly pleased and with his emotional thanked athlete.

    Zhenya went to the applause of the people whose profession - figure skating and who are not accustomed to applaud .

    Plushenko no one spoke , no contact . We sat on one side of the rink , he went to the locker room with the other choice. Yank it after such an arbitrary rental , call dopekat : " Well? Satisfied ? " - It was a sin .

    He said on the ice, all I wanted. It was evident that their inner , very private he retained unspent to Sochi. And honored coach Viktor Kudryavtsev said softly aloud what everyone thought : well prepared athlete , and then add charisma , feelings and ...

    All this said, then experts . There was no doubt anybody. Even in those rare , are not recognized in Plushenko hero.

    I could write about it and the 21st in 14 hours, but ethics , sorry for the old-fashioned , is not allowed . Russian national team in figure skating, and for the team tournament , too , is approved and will be adopted later on January 23 Executive Committee of the Olympic Committee . That's when it will be clear that Evgeni Plushenko goes for his fourth Olympic circle.

    Later, the duo appeared on the ice dancers. Katya Bobrova and Dmitry Solovyov rolled his dance . Everything was good, I liked guys with coach Sasha Zhulin did a great job . Properly done , missed the European Championships , focusing on Sochi. But after Plushenko act was oh how difficult.

    by the way

    Evgeni Plushenko was born November 3, 1982 in the village of Sunny Khabarovsk Krai.

    With 11 years of living in St. Petersburg, and with 13 years of experience in figure skating under the famous coach Alexei Mishin . Eugene graduated from St. Petersburg State University of Physical Culture and St. Petersburg State University of Engineering and Economics .

    In 2005, Plushenko married Maria Ermak . Soon they had a son - Yegor . But after a while Plushenko divorced .

    In 2009, Eugene issued his second marriage with renowned producer Yana Rudkovskoj . January 6, 2013 Plushenko and Rudkovskoj son Alexander . Besides the three Olympic medals in the account Plushenko three wins at the world championships , seven championship titles and 10 European championships gold medals Russia .
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    And that is very "interesting" what you are doing here. If Plushenko will skate well and he gets high scores you will say" we know he will be overscored", if he will skate badly you will say he is too old, we knew he can't do good skate..

    Sometimes I really hate the figure skating forums...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflake View Post





    I think Mathman is right. When time comes and the judges sit there feeling the love from the audience, hearing the crowd shouting they will reward him big. I've seen interviews with judges praising Plushenko. Judges are humans too
    OMG! What a surprise! Judges praising Plushenko???? I can't believe.. http://www.kingonice.com/evgeni6-0.htm I think those judges who gave him such a perfect scores really admired Evgeni..

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    To think if Russia had 3 spots in Nagano, Plushenko would have gone to 5 Olys, and he is like 5 months younger than Tara Lipinski. So Imagine Lipinski still competing

    I think both Plushenko and Joubert will have my respect because as singles skaters it will be their 4th Olympics that if you think of it it is insane already, of i want them to do well but I dont care if they medal, I think the applause for these two will be huge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I could see Plushenko being gifted in PCS, say high 8s and a PCS in the high 80s, but no more than that unless he really knocks it out of the park. That said if Plushenko somehow skated 2 clean programs with quad combos (which you never know, he is an insane competitor) and Hanyu and Chan both fell more than once, and Takahashi and any other potentially better skaters didnt skate great, the judges would probably do whatever they had to do to make sure he won, even if he arguably still wouldnt deserve to. Just for the sake of their own physical safety.
    I think if everybody else is falling over themselves and he is the only one to rise to the occasion then he would deserve to win and that wouldn't be far off from most past Olympic results and everybody else would have no one but themselves to blame. Sarah Hughes won the OGM with under rotated jumps but she delivered the cleanest skate. This sounds like you're getting a little worked up over a fairly unlikely scenario. Could Plushenko get on the podium? Not impossible, but that would take big mistakes from others and him being clean. And that's just the podium, an actual win is something I can't even picture. Considering that he originally was only interested in the team event for an easy medal, I think even he believes the individual event is a long shot.

    Considering all of his injuries I can't fault him for trying to pace himself, especially when given no ultimatum by his federation to compete more. 4 skates at the Oympics is going to be enough of an uphill battle to deliver cleanly. I just hope he has enough gas in the tank for a compelling exhibition (that was the best part of his 2006 Olys) because you know he'll be there regardless of where he places.

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