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Natural talent vs Work Ethic

Joined
Aug 16, 2009
Mention of Jason Brown brings up an interesting thought. It seems that "natural talent" means physical capabilities in most cases. But with Jason it also means natural performance abilities. Nobody can learn the level of perfomance skills. And as I've read different places, he works hard so that he can consistently display his natural talents. Seems like you really need three things (two kinds of natural talent plus work ethic) to be a well-rounded successful skater.

That makes sense. And I'd add one more trait: the ability to perform under pressure. Having a cool head is a factor that separates "How wonderful he/she is!" from "If only he/she could do in competition what he/she does in practice." I don't know how much of that trait is innate and how much is learned, but most great skaters have it: YuNa, Michelle, Tara, Boitano, Witt. Some other skaters are (seemingly miraculously) able to summon it up at a crucial moment, for example Paul Wylie, who before the 1992 Olympics was known as a head case. He sure wasn't a head case in Albertville.
 

Paola D

Rinkside
Joined
May 19, 2013
Yuzuru is also a natural talent with strong work ethics. Prior to training at the Cricket Club, he was only able to train 15 hours a week or less (can't remember the number....) with no off ice training but he was able to win a Jr WC and many other international competitions.

While there are people who say Yuzuru is super-talented and there are even some people who call him a phenom, he is also well known as an "extremely" hard worker. He is famous in this part among his fellow skaters and coaches, and people who have seen him train have agreed on that. Javi said there were days when he felt lazy and didn't feel like training, but when he went to the rink and saw Yuzuru training, he thought, "I should train!"

Yuzuru seems to be a person who always puts his 100 % (or even more than that) into nearly everything he is doing; shows, competitions, training, study (which Orser said he is seriously engaged in, and I just read an article that says he studies 7 hours a day!) and even into play and hobbies. People say he is a very emotional person and has a strong competitive spirit. He once admitted that he always wants to win (but he is not afraid of losing), so he tended to push himself too hard and overworked himself, that lead to constant injuries and fatigue (and he has asthma). When he went to the Cricket Club, one of the things they wanted to do first was make him control this intensity and learn to organize his training.

Here's a quote from Bestemyanova/Bobrin's interview.

I remember that from the very beginning we built a great relationships with him. It's incredible how he trains and follows all the demand of the choreographer! And sometimes the demands were to try something new, while we were not sure if that new will be included in the program. He implicitly tried everything what we said, and at each practice he worked hard, "till to sweat", literally to the point of exhaustion, feeling almost unconscious. When the Japanese television came to shoot his practice with us in Moscow, I thought this would be his last day in life, so hard he tried his best ( laughs).

N.B.: There is an idea that sits in our minds: the Japanese are different in terms of working hard. A year ago, before the World Championship where Hanyu won a bronze medal, the television visited us. After the interview with Hanyu they came to us, and I couldn't figure out what was wrong: they were just staring at us. Then the interpreter explained: "He said in the interview that he goes on every practice with the feeling of wild fear. He is afraid that he won't survive until the end of the practice." That's how he was given himself to work because he believed truly in what we were giving him. He's a very talented guy, and at every practice he worked really hard, as if it was his last time. Not so many athletes can train this way.

Here's a quote from Orser in IFS magazine last summer.

On Mondays, we have a really intense off-ice session. Most of the kids complain because they come onto the ice saying they are sore, their legs are shaking, and they are sweating, but Yuzu says, "It is my favorite class. I love that class."
He is wildly intense. I had a conversation with Nam recently and told him that when he is in the off-ice classes he is to stand beside Yuzuru and do exactly what he does; to do it with the same focus, the same intensity and give 100% to every single exercise.

He is young, emotinal, inexperienced and has sometimes been carried away by his desire to win, bombed and cried hard. But after the emotion calms down, it seems he has another ability to start to view things objectively, collect things systematically, and analyze the causes why he failed, and it seems to help him a lot at next competitions.
 

yude

Record Breaker
Joined
Feb 28, 2012
I'd like to add one more quote by Julia Lipnitskaya from "La bambina con il cappottino rosso".

Q: Do you have any idols among figure skaters?
JL: Carolina. As for men, Yuzuru and Javi always amazed me with their quads, because it's completely crazy. Especially Yuzuru, I don't even know how he does it. I saw some videos, he was just killing himself in practices.
 

jace93

On the Ice
Joined
Jan 8, 2014
While there are people who say Yuzuru is super-talented and there are even some people who call him a phenom, he is also well known as an "extremely" hard worker. He is famous in this part among his fellow skaters and coaches, and people who have seen him train have agreed on that. Javi said there were days when he felt lazy and didn't feel like training, but when he went to the rink and saw Yuzuru training, he thought, "I should train!"

Yuzuru seems to be a person who always puts his 100 % (or even more than that) into nearly everything he is doing; shows, competitions, training, study (which Orser said he is seriously engaged in, and I just read an article that says he studies 7 hours a day!) and even into play and hobbies. People say he is a very emotional person and has a strong competitive spirit. He once admitted that he always wants to win (but he is not afraid of losing), so he tended to push himself too hard and overworked himself, that lead to constant injuries and fatigue (and he has asthma). When he went to the Cricket Club, one of the things they wanted to do first was make him control this intensity and learn to organize his training.

Here's a quote from Bestemyanova/Bobrin's interview.



Here's a quote from Orser in IFS magazine last summer.




He is young, emotinal, inexperienced and has sometimes been carried away by his desire to win, bombed and cried hard. But after the emotion calms down, it seems he has another ability to start to view things objectively, collect things systematically, and analyze the causes why he failed, and it seems to help him a lot at next competitions.

I think that since his lack of on ice time (and off-ice training since I read somewhere that he practically never did off-ice training before his move to Canada) he wouldn't have been able to achieve his numerous and impressive results without always giving 150% in every single second of his scarce training time... (and he sure has to thank his incredible talent for making it so far in such training conditions)
 
Joined
Aug 16, 2009
This attitude of Yuzuru's makes him an athlete I'm even more eager to support. But I'm glad that Orser and the rest of his team are trying to get him to "organize his training." I don't want to see him wear his body out with practice that's too intensive the way Tara Lipinski did, robbing herself (and us) of years of skating growth. Overdoing is not always the best policy. As we say over here, don't work harder, work smarter.

I'd love to see Yuzuru dominate the next Olympic cycle as he becomes a more mature artist and performer as well as a stronger skater. He won't be able to do that if he rips up his body with excessive practice.
 

caseyl23

Rinkside
Joined
Dec 29, 2005
On a similar note, I listened to the interview with Frank Carroll on "The Skating Lesson," and at the very end, he talked about Mirai. The full exchange is here, and the questions start at about 1:01:45.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfu6U5IT-R0

To summarize, the questioner (Jenny Kirk) says she struggles with "discipline and focus" when she asks if he thinks she can be one of the women to make the Olympic team. Frank himself says (in summary) many of her issues are emotional and that she has heavy stuff in her head that she needs to sort out. She then asks about Mirai's under-rotations, and he says discipline is the key to solving them, getting into the rink and doing drills. Take that however you will.
 

Layfan

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 5, 2009
And since Mirai's been mentioned, I'll nominate Ashley for the work ethic group. There's not one thing, per se, that stands out about her skating (except her consistency up until nationals), but I'd bet anything that as we type, she's at the rink busting her rear end to be as ready as she can for Sochi.

Oh yes! I'll leave Mirai out of it because I don't have any knowledge of her life. But Ashley for sure has squeezed every ounce of her talent to get farther than many every believed she could. I do think she is quite talented. Anyone who has ever tried a skating or ballet or a sport can see that anyone capable of a triple combo (or a bielmann spin for that matter) has plenty of natural athletic talent. Most of us would not be able to achieve that no matter how long and hard we worked. Even so, Ashley has pushed herself to her limits and her perseverance and refusal to be cast as just another skater is quite impressive. But she still has a down-to-earth quality about her. She's definitely a fun personality.
 
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