Ice Dance - 2014 JR. Russian Championships

SD live results page: http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1314/junnat1314/SEG001.HTM

Warm-Up Group 1
1 Daria Morozova / Mikhal Zhirnov
2 Daria Shirohova / Nikita Nazarov
3 Anna Yanovskaya / Sergey Mozgov
4 Ludmila Sosnytsya / Paul Golovoshnikov
5 Anastasia Kapstan / Grigory Smirnov

Warm-Up Group 2
6 Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin
7 Alla Loboda / Pavel Drozd
8 Ksenia Konkina / Georgi Reviya
9 Daria Rumyantseva / Dmitry Rybachenko
10 Ekaterina bocharova / Anton Shibnev

Warm-Up Group 3
11 Eva Khachaturian / Igor Eremenko
12 Evgenia Kosigina / Nikolia Moroshkin
13 Sophia Polischuk / Alexander Vahni
14 Betina Popova / Yuri Vlasenko
15 Daria Velichko / Egor Tarasenko

Stepanova/Bukin with a huge lead!

gmyers said:

Stepanova/Bukin with a huge lead!

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they were overscored, Yanovskaya / Mozgov should have been first
Im no expert in Ice Dance but those dance hold patterns were really slow, looked like level 1s

Ice Dance Short Dance

1 Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin 69.12
2 Anna Yanovskaya / Sergey Mozgov 64.79
3 Evgenia Kosigina / Nikolai Moroshkin 60.73
4 Betina Popova / Yuri Vlasenko 60.31
5 Alla Loboda / Paul Drozd 58.53
6 Anastasia Kapstan / Grigory Smirnov 56.96
7 Daria Morozova / Mikhail Zhirnov 56.56
8 Eva Khachaturian / Igor Eremenko 53.86
9 Sophia Polischuk / Alexander Vahni 53.58
10 Ekaterina Bocharova / Anton Shibnev 48.22
11 Kseenia Konkina / Georgi Reviya 47.90
12 Daria Shirohova / Nikita Nazarov 46.59
13 Daria Rumyantseva / Dmitry Rybachenko 42.99
14 Ludmila Sosnytsya / Paul Golovishnikov 41.09
15 Daria Velichko / Egor Tarasenko 39.63

SHORT DANCE - VIDEOS & RESULT

1. Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin - 69.12 Short Dance
2. Anna Yanovskaya / Sergey Mozgov - 64.79 Short Dance
3. Evgenia Kosigina / Nikolia Moroshkin - 60.73 Short Dance
4. Betina Popova / Yuri Vlasenko - 60.31 Short Dance
5. Alla Loboda / Pavel Drozd - 58.53 Short Dance
6. Anastasia Kapstan / Grigory Smirnov - 56.96 Short Dance
7. Daria Morozova / Mikhal Zhirnov - 56.56 Short Dance
8. Eva Khachaturian / Igor Eremenko - 53.86 Short Dance
9. Sophia Polischuk / Alexander Vahni - 53.58 Short Dance
10. Ekaterina Bocharova / Anton Shibnev - 48.22 Short Dance
11. Ksenia Konkina / Georgi Reviya - 47.90 Short Dance
12. Daria Shirohova / Nikita Nazarov - 46.59 Short Dance
13. Daria Rumyantseva / Dmitry Rybachenko - 42.99
14. Ludmila Sosnytsya / Paul Golovoshnikov - 41.09 Short Dance
15. Daria Velichko / Egor Tarasenko - 39.63 Short Dance

Konkina / Reviya - 2 more years before JGP debut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsiJ-gnTdlg
I say better than Ilinykh/Katasalapov at their age

FD now starting: http://fsrussia.ru/upl/results/1314/junnat1314/SEG002.HTM

good score for Konkina/Reviya despite being the youngest participants
but 10 points lower PCS difference against the older teams like Morozova/Zhirnov is :disapp:

Konkina / Reviya FD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru0m66BYl70

Over All Score

1 Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin 164.31
2 Anna Yanovskaya / Sergey Mozgov 151.75
3 Betina Popova / Yuri Vlasenko 146.40
4 Evgenia Kosigina / Nikolai Moroshkin 145.52
5 Alla Loboda / Pavel Drozd 145.19
6 Daria Morozova / Michael Zhirnov 136.42
7 Anastasia Kapstan / Grigory Smirnov 132.48
8 Eva Khachaturian / Igor Yeremenko 128.00
9 Sophia Polischuk / Alexander Vahni 119.31
10 Ksenia Konkina / Georgi Reviya 116.75
11 Ekaterina Bocharova / Anton Shibnev 115.13
12 Daria Shirohova / Nikita Nazarov 110.85
13 Daria Rumyantseva / Dmitry Rybachenko 106.70
14 Ludmila Sosnytsya / Paul Golovishnikov 105.13
15 Daria Velichko / Egor Tarasenko 98.25

Free Dance Result:

1 Alexandra Stepanova / Ivan Bukin 95.19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc5EXOw32Rs
2 Anna Yanovskaya / Sergey Mozgov 86.96 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-q30ABO5Ro
3 Alla Loboda / Pavel Drozd 86.66 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7GwkWpdo54
4 Betina Popova / Yuri Vlasenko 86.09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP0Toi1QPR0
5 Evegenia Kosigina / Nikolai Moroshkin 84.79 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VUJcLWwp7I
6 Daria Morozova / Mikhail Zhirnov 79.86 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2wNSI1KNxk
7 Anastasia Kapstan / Grigory Smirnov 75.52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2K6PUmwIR0
8 Eva Khachaturian / Igor Yeremenko 74.14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oAeAngVeUw
9 Ksenia Konkina / Georgi Reviya 68.85 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru0m66BYl70
10 Ekaterina Bocharova / Anton Shibnev 66.91 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w325KafOkOA
11 Sophia Polischuk / Alexander Vahni 65.73 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCNGiR86Zo8
12 Daria Shirohova / Nikita Nazarov 64.26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9latxFqZQFQ
13 Ludmila Sosnytsya / Paul Golovisnikov 64.04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUOGPlzwCug
14 Daria Rumyantseva / Dmitry Rybachenko 63.71 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIfX00TjcI8
15 Daria Velichko / Egor Tarasenko 58.62

Stepanova/Bukin are still juniors? I thought they moved to seniors...

They didn't do that we'll at senior nationals. I'm assuming they are eligible for Jr world's? If so, Russian Jr nationals is the qualifier for Jr world's, AFAIR.

They are going back to Jr. Worlds to get the WS points and keep afloat in the Grand Prix assignments next season.

dorispulaski said:

They didn't do that we'll at senior nationals. I'm assuming they are eligible for Jr world's? If so, Russian Jr nationals is the qualifier for Jr world's, AFAIR.

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Stepanova/Bukin were not good at all their Senior competitions this season.
Last place at Skate Canada GP Event, 5th at Universiade (where compete not so strong skaters), 6th at RusNats.

They returned to Juniors to earn JrWorlds spot.
They of course are age eligible to Junior competitions. In Russia at Junior Level may compete only skaters who are not too old for Junior Internationals at the same season (*).
In interview after JrNats http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/14615.html they told that want to compete at JrWorlds.

(*) May be too young, who will be Juniors in future.

they need the points to get Senior GP assignments next season
their senior transition so far have been underwhelming
highlighted their flaws like terrible skating skills, hunchback form and little height difference
Bukin is the better skater no doubt, he will be limited with Stepanova
maybe time to look for another partner ?

they don't have the speed and skating skills of Ilinykh/Katsalapov and Sinitsina / Zhiganshin

sky_fly20 said:

highlighted their flaws like terrible skating skills, hunchback form and little height difference
Bukin is the better skater no doubt, he will be limited with Stepanova
maybe time to look for another partner ?

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Because it is so easy at this level to find a partner. You just go to a shop and get one, like a socks...

hanca said:

Because it is so easy at this level to find a partner. You just go to a shop and get one, like a socks...

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anyone can clearly see Bukin is the better skater,
they are not evenly matched as a pair in terms of skills like Sinitsina / Zhiganshin
this is important as they might become a Gorshkova / Butikov or Monko / Khaliavin team who did not improve in seniors

Ivan Bukin needs someone who can help him get deep and better edges
go look at Sinitsina or Elena's edges and how they stroke

sky_fly20 said:

anyone can clearly see Bukin is the better skater,
they are not evenly matched as a pair in terms of skills like Sinitsina / Zhiganshin
this is important as they might become a Gorshkova / Butikov or Monko / Khaliavin team who did not improve in seniors

Ivan Bukin needs someone who can help him get deep and better edges
go look at Sinitsina or Elena's edges and how they stroke

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sky_fly20, if it was up to you, you would manage to dissolve the whole Russian team! In your opinion, Davankova and Derputat should give up because of their height. They have currently the second highest score internationally from all Russian juniors (only Vigalova/Zokroev have higher), but you would just dump them because in your eyes they don't deserve it. Despite them obtaining higher score internationally than Tarasova/Morozov! You would get rid of Monko-Khaliavin from the same reasons. You would suggest the reigning world junior champions Stepanova/Bukin to split (only because they did not manage to push through in their first senior season). You spoke against Tuktamysheva (who is too overweight for you)... I believe you also (wrongly) forecasted the split between Martiusheva and Rogonov...also lack of height difference in your eyes. Please, tell us, is there ANY Russian skaters you actually LIKE? and don't hold back; I do wonder whether you have at least as many favourites as you have the skaters you hate.

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sky_fly20, if it was up to you, you would manage to dissolve the whole Russian team! In your opinion, Davankova and Derputat should give up because of their height. They have currently the second highest score internationally from all Russian juniors (only Vigalova/Zokroev have higher), but you would just dump them because in your eyes they don't deserve it. Despite them obtaining higher score internationally than Tarasova/Morozov! You would get rid of Monko-Khaliavin from the same reasons. You would suggest the reigning world junior champions Stepanova/Bukin to split (only because they did not manage to push through in their first senior season). You spoke against Tuktamysheva (who is too overweight for you)... I believe you also (wrongly) forecasted the split between Martiusheva and Rogonov...also lack of height difference in your eyes. Please, tell us, is there ANY Russian skaters you actually LIKE? and don't hold back; I do wonder whether you have at least as many favourites as you have the skaters you hate.

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Monko / Khaliavin's PB is like from 3 years ago, they can't be improved mainly because of their height, do you understand that
they can never get proper nor difficult lifts, Martiusheva / Rogonov are simply inconistent, Rogonov btw got married so they too have probably retired

I do agree Davankova / Deputat are very talented such a waste she grew so tall
they will end up like the Zhangs who will be too tall for him and eventually split up

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Monko / Khaliavin's PB is like from 3 years ago, they can't be improved mainly because of their height, do you understand that
they can never get proper nor difficult lifts, Martiusheva / Rogonov are simply inconistent, Rogonov btw got married so they too have probably retired

I do agree Davankova / Deputat are very talented such a waste she grew so tall
they will end up like the Zhangs who will be too tall for him and eventually split up

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Re: the highlighted, it is not matter of understanding; it is a matter of agreeing with you. Monko / Khaliavin have been getting pretty decent results this season and I definitely not agree with your claim that Monko / Khaliavin are going the same way as Gorshkova / Butikov. Maybe in your dreams!

Re: Davankova and Deputat, it actually depends on them, not on you or your opinion. They have proved this season that they can skate with the high difference as it is now. Now it depends on whether they will be consistent and manage successfully to transform into a senior team, but the elements are being done. They may manage, or may not, but it is definitely not as bleak as you are implying.

I agree that Martiusheva / Rogonov are being inconsistent; usually Martiusheva can't land her jumps to save her life and when the current juniors move to the seniors from next season, I do think M/R will disappear from any major international competitions. They did not have a much chance to be sent to Europeans/Worlds, but have been getting at least the GP. From the next season they probably won't be getting those either,so their only chance will be senior B competitions. But they did defy your frequent predictions about them splitting!

hanca said:

Re: the highlighted, it is not matter of understanding; it is a matter of agreeing with you. Monko / Khaliavin have been getting pretty decent results this season and I definitely not agree with your claim that Monko / Khaliavin are going the same way as Gorshkova / Butikov. Maybe in your dreams!

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you do realize that Monko / Khalaivin have been beaten by teams they have beaten at juniors namely Ilinykh / Katsalapov and Sinitsina / Zhiganshin
anyone who gets beaten in a B event with some obscure dancers competing like Ralph / Hill is hopeless. their SB is in 130s
while Ilinykh / Katasalpov are getting 170s and Sinitsina / Zhiganshin in 150s

the results here btw were correct as Y/M made a mistake on their twizzles
Yanovskaya / Mozgov have good prospects for snior, he is very tall, they are athletic type of skaters capable of good lifts
S/B wont be on the podium at Jr. Worlds if Y/M, H/B and M/C skate their best

so only Ilinykh / Kataslapov, Sinitsina / Zhiganshin and Yanovskaya / Mozogov will do well for seniors next quad

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you do realize that Monko / Khalaivin have been beaten by teams they have beaten at juniors namely Ilinykh / Katsalapov and Sinitsina / Zhiganshin
anyone who gets beaten in a B event with some obscure dancers competing like Ralph / Hill is hopeless. their SB is in 130s

while Ilinykh / Katasalpov are getting 170s and Sinitsina / Zhiganshin in 150s

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You do have some problems with your memory! Monko/ Khaliavin have beaten Ilinykh/Katsalapov at JGPF in 2009 but I believe it was I/K's first internationals season and they haven't been together that long (relatively speaking). At the end of the same season I/K beat M/K at junior worlds (placed 2 places higher), and since then they have beaten them regularly in majority (or all?) competitions they skated against therm, so I am missing your point that M/K are being beaten by I/K. Of course they are because I/K are better. It still doesn't mean that M/K are done.

In regards to S/Z, M/K won JGPf and junior worlds in season 2010-2011 and S/Z won exactly the same the following season. Unfortunately Khaliavin fell ill with mononucleosis and lost a whole season 2011-2012. At the moment, M/K and S/Z are at very comparable level (which is to be expected, considering that M/K lost the whole season). M/K did slightly better at the GP events, S/Z did slightly better at Russian nationals. At any day they could swap their results. It is not that S/Z is clearly better than M/K; they just got their chance to go to Europeans because they managed to do one competition (Russian nationals) better. But it was pretty close. At their GP events M/K placed 5th and 6th, S/Z placed 8th... This season I liked more S/Z but I wouldn't go as far as claiming that they are that much better than M/K and that M/K have no chance to beat them!

By the way, check your facts before you spew even more poison around. M/K's season best is not in 130! It is 145.92. From Rostelecom Cup. Compared with S/Z's scores throughout the season: NHK Trophy 124.23, Winter Universiade 142.50 and European Championships 153.73... Well, I am sorry, S/Z had slightly higher the season best, but not significantly higher, and if you look at their other international results that season, surely you must see that they are not THAT better. They are pretty much the same.