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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightSkater View Post
    Threads like this do my head in.
    Some people need to get over themselves.
    It's wishful thinking rather than being realistic.
    EVERY time a better than average American skater comes through the ranks people try to make out that this person deserves to win based on nothing more than the fact they like them.
    I'm half American & cringe about the US bias towards some athletes.
    Support your favourite skater & wish the best for them-yes.
    But trying to make out they are better than any other skater or wishing other skaters do bad is awful.
    Saying things like "The S.S Gold heading into Sochi" is just making my skin crawl.
    Also putting down Julia's artistry.
    I'm a huge Akiko Suzuki fan but all I can wish for her is two clean programs & hope every other skater also does their best.
    I'm just so tired of the Gold-Hype.
    She has won 1 US title & no major medals in the senior ranks.
    I know I'm going to get a lot of heat for this post but I just hate how some people start threads to make a skater seem better than everyone else.
    You can't blame them, because they see apparently more merits in Gold than Julia or Adelina; if Julia with questionable qualities can be propped up throughout this season, why not Gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTriple View Post
    You can't blame them, because they see apparently more merits in Gold than Julia or Adelina; if Julia with questionable qualities can be propped up throughout this season, why not Gold.
    There you go.
    So are people just saying that Julia has questionable qualities because they are jealous that Julia is winning titles such as Grand Prix events & not Gold ?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightSkater View Post
    There you go.
    So are people just saying that Julia has questionable qualities because they are jealous that Julia is winning titles such as Grand Prix events & not Gold ?.
    I'd say reasonable hope than jealousy. They are not competing with Julia. why would they be jealous of her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTriple View Post
    I'd say reasonable hope than jealousy. They are not competing with Julia. why would they be jealous of her?
    Because they want Gold to win so much ?.
    I remember the Rochette supporters trashing Ando & Lepisto in the run-up to the 2010 Games.
    I just don't get why so many people love saying bad things about skaters.
    If you don't like them then don't watch.
    Why wish another person bad ?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightSkater View Post
    Because they want Gold to win so much ?.
    I remember the Rochette supporters trashing Ando & Lepisto in the run-up to the 2010 Games.
    I just don't get why so many people love saying bad things about skaters.
    If you don't like them then don't watch.
    Why wish another person bad ?.
    I agree with you that we are supposed to support our own favorites without debasing other skaters. Criticism does not have to be a wishful thinking for evil, however.

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    As for me, I am in betwixt about Julia. though I look, to some, constantly critical of her skating, I am unsure of how to judge her skating. On one hand, I am tentatively inclined to the current judging, on the other hand, couldn't shake off the creeping doubt. honestly I do not know. Half and half is my honest judging about Julia's skating. having said that, I see a few logical grounds for judges' support; at the same time, immensely displeased with a mirage of validity dissipating like quicksand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HalfTriple View Post
    As for me, I am in betwixt about Julia. though I look, to some, constantly critical of her skating, I am unsure of how to judge her skating. On one hand, I am tentatively inclined to the current judging, on the other hand, couldn't shake off the creeping doubt. honestly I do not know. Half and half is my honest judging about Julia's skating. having said that, I see a few logical grounds for judges' support; at the same time, immensely displeased with a mirage of validity dissipating like quicksand.
    Most skaters divide opinions.
    Julia is such a talented skater.
    Judges will always have their favourites.
    I've sat watching skating since 1992 & have always been sad to see how unfair this sport can be sometimes.
    I got to the point where I just try to enjoy every skater & what they have to offer rather than wait for the judges axe to fall.
    Skating is such a beautiful sport that sometimes the results are not the most important thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightSkater View Post
    Most skaters divide opinions.
    Julia is such a talented skater.
    Judges will always have their favourites.
    I've sat watching skating since 1992 & have always been sad to see how unfair this sport can be sometimes.
    I got to the point where I just try to enjoy every skater & what they have to offer rather than wait for the judges axe to fall.
    Skating is such a beautiful sport that sometimes the results are not the most important thing.
    a beautiful thing you just said: sometimes the results are not the most important thing
    Indeed, competition results are just one way of appreciating the sport.

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    @ midnightskater: Reading your statement “I've sat watching skating since 1992 & have always been sad to see how unfair this sport can be sometimes" makes me feel such a dinosaur!
    I have been following this sport since 1976 and cannot recall a period of fair judging across the board ( meaning, in all 4 events).

    For me though – since the Olympics are approaching – the Lake Placid OG of 1980 would always stand out as a testament of unfair judgment.

    One event aside ( pairs), the rest of the events had the questionable winners. And even now, years later, I would discuss it with the friends and we would get into a discussion – why not Linda Fratianne got the gold, or Jan Hoffman – or the most obvious – how could Krisztina & Andras end up being on the second with the skating that they showed?
    And how sad it is that we would remember the names of “those” judges as clear as the names of the skaters? ( remember their stone faces when they would lift their arm with the score card?)

    Each times the OG approach, we all have hope that finally the best will win – only to experience the feeling of crashed hopes later…

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    At this stage I think that's a good, strategic move - she SHOULD do the FS. She's best equipped to do it at this point in time.

    Her best shot at a medal comes in the team event, I would think. I still think Yuna Kim/Russians/Japanese have the individual ones on virtual lockdown. (I HOPE to be proven wrong!!)
    I think Gold should do the SP and the FS should be left to Wagner. Wagner has pulled in considerably greater points in her FS this season (and her PCS is higher than Gold's, which will be magnified in the FS with double the factoring).

    Gold has skated strong SPs this season, only to meltdown in the freeskates... Nationals was the first good FS she's had this season, and she has only delivered clean or close to clean freeskates in her two appearances at Nationals (although she did have a solid FS at WTT where she doubled a 2S).

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    You raise a good point about Gold's FS consistency but honestly, at this point Wagner isn't a steady hand either. She has also not skated a clean FS this season and what's more, she's in the midst of changing hers so I'm not convinced she can be comfortable enough with it in time to skate it well at the team event. Who knows though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexNY View Post
    @ midnightskater: Reading your statement “I've sat watching skating since 1992 & have always been sad to see how unfair this sport can be sometimes" makes me feel such a dinosaur!
    I have been following this sport since 1976 and cannot recall a period of fair judging across the board ( meaning, in all 4 events).

    For me though – since the Olympics are approaching – the Lake Placid OG of 1980 would always stand out as a testament of unfair judgment.

    One event aside ( pairs), the rest of the events had the questionable winners. And even now, years later, I would discuss it with the friends and we would get into a discussion – why not Linda Fratianne got the gold, or Jan Hoffman – or the most obvious – how could Krisztina & Andras end up being on the second with the skating that they showed?
    And how sad it is that we would remember the names of “those” judges as clear as the names of the skaters? ( remember their stone faces when they would lift their arm with the score card?)

    Each times the OG approach, we all have hope that finally the best will win – only to experience the feeling of crashed hopes later…
    Maybe there should be a retirement home for skating fans !.
    The difference of opinions is one of the things that makes skating so great.
    There have been many times I have been angry with a results but watched again years later & seen it differently.
    I am in no way speaking out against Gracie.
    I just feel it is wrong to want another skater/s to fail in order for your favourite to win, or to make your favourite skater seem better or more deserving than anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    You raise a good point about Gold's FS consistency but honestly, at this point Wagner isn't a steady hand either. She has also not skated a clean FS this season and what's more, she's in the midst of changing hers so I'm not convinced she can be comfortable enough with it in time to skate it well at the team event. Who knows though...
    True that Wagner hasn't skated a clean FS, but she's certainly pulled in higher scores than Gold has. And she's going back to a FS that was very successful for her last season, so she should be comfortable with it. If anything, doing the FS in the team event would allow Wagner to get that extra comfort level going into the individual event. She's also been a huge player for Team USA over the past quad (and the past two seasons), and is more experienced than Gold, and might not have another chance to win an Olympic medal, so I think she deserves a guaranteed medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightSkater View Post
    Threads like this do my head in.
    Some people need to get over themselves.
    It's wishful thinking rather than being realistic.
    EVERY time a better than average American skater comes through the ranks people try to make out that this person deserves to win based on nothing more than the fact they like them.
    I'm half American & cringe about the US bias towards some athletes.
    Support your favourite skater & wish the best for them-yes.
    But trying to make out they are better than any other skater or wishing other skaters do bad is awful.
    Saying things like "The S.S Gold heading into Sochi" is just making my skin crawl.
    Also putting down Julia's artistry.
    I'm a huge Akiko Suzuki fan but all I can wish for her is two clean programs & hope every other skater also does their best.
    I'm just so tired of the Gold-Hype.
    She has won 1 US title & no major medals in the senior ranks.
    I know I'm going to get a lot of heat for this post but I just hate how some people start threads to make a skater seem better than everyone else.
    I totally agree. Gold is good, but she's not gold medalist quality.

    Maybe if she were lucky she could be like Sarah Hughes I suppose. Some gold medalists do get incredibly lucky. Miracles do happen. Some American fans look at Sarah Hughes and think "damn, if she an win a gold medal, Gracie Gold can too." Nothing is impossible.

    But based on ability, Gracie Gold is a long shot for gold. She has a shot at the bronze.

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    No heat from me. Gracie is unproven. Anyone who thinks she is a contender for an OGM in Sochi is delusional. If she skates two clean programs (which she has not done so far), she has a shot at a bronze medal.

    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightSkater View Post
    Threads like this do my head in.
    Some people need to get over themselves.
    It's wishful thinking rather than being realistic.
    EVERY time a better than average American skater comes through the ranks people try to make out that this person deserves to win based on nothing more than the fact they like them.
    I'm half American & cringe about the US bias towards some athletes.
    Support your favourite skater & wish the best for them-yes.
    But trying to make out they are better than any other skater or wishing other skaters do bad is awful.
    Saying things like "The S.S Gold heading into Sochi" is just making my skin crawl.
    Also putting down Julia's artistry.
    I'm a huge Akiko Suzuki fan but all I can wish for her is two clean programs & hope every other skater also does their best.
    I'm just so tired of the Gold-Hype.
    She has won 1 US title & no major medals in the senior ranks.
    I know I'm going to get a lot of heat for this post but I just hate how some people start threads to make a skater seem better than everyone else.

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