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    Someone should still read them otherwise they would not print them in the first place. And there should still be the correlation between what is printed and what is of the current public interest. For example, the half of today's USA Today politics section was about Greece and it is the biggest topic worlwide. Then I read about Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton - in fact some neutral news and some critique. That, I would imagine, is of the primary concern to Americans: these two are so far principal candidates to be the next president and they are relatives to former presidents (which in fact produces the defensive reaction in Russia - you critisie Putin's reigning but you yourself recycle the same names although under the "democratic procedure"). And nothing on Russia - before when I came here it was always something. Not that I have any negative feelings about that - just an observation.

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    True. No-one in America cares about Ukraine (or can even locate it on the world map).

    The only article that I have seen lately that mentions Russia was about how the negotiations between the U.S. and Iran might affect Russian oil exports.

    No one cares anything about Greece or the European Union, since that didn't turn out (yet) to affect the U.S. stock market as much as expected.

    China? -- well, yeah, we care about China at the moment because they being offered as the super-villains who hacked into U.S. government computers and crashed United Air Lines yesterday and the New York Stock Exchange today.

    As for tolerance of sexual diversity, it is the Middle East and Africa, not Russia, where gay people risk torture and death. President Obama was bluntly warned by the government of Kenya not to mention LGBT issues during his planned state visit later this month.

    About Hillary Clinton versus Jeb Bush, I think many Americans are not pleased that there are no serious alternatives. (But Michelle Kwan turned 35 yesterday, so she is now eligible to run for Vice President on an all-woman Hillary ticket. )

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    The Onion Cares! http://www.theonion.com/video/onion-...s-russia-50910
    (just in case someone hasn't heard yet, the Onion is a comedy site)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbiespectator View Post
    The Onion Cares! http://www.theonion.com/video/onion-...s-russia-50910
    (just in case someone hasn't heard yet, the Onion is a comedy site)
    There you go, samkrut. And you said there wasn't any coverage of Russian news in the U.S media...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbiespectator View Post
    The Onion Cares! http://www.theonion.com/video/onion-...s-russia-50910
    (just in case someone hasn't heard yet, the Onion is a comedy site)
    Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant! Thank you so much for sharing this with us, Newbiespectator.

    I was never the biggest fan of Putin. But, now that we know what the true motivation behind his moves is, how can anybody possibly disagree with him?!

    His assessment of what happened is absolutely spot on!

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    Who knew that the Onion has serious skating fans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Who knew that the Onion has serious skating fans!
    It surprised me too!

    After watching this, I had the idea of going to the Irish equivalent of The Onion, Waterford Whispers, to see if I could find any good stories about Russia to reply with. But, they haven't had anything Russian for a couple of months. And what they do have aren't as good as that one.

    Oh well! At least I tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    President Obama was bluntly warned by the government of Kenya not to mention LGBT issues during his planned state visit later this month.
    He did anyway.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0PY21820150725

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    Quote Originally Posted by samkrut@mail.ru View Post
    An update. Children 404 work OK https://www.facebook.com/children.404. However, the founder was fined for 50000 rbls ($800) and has appealed to a higher court.

    Putin today stated on TV that the people with both traditional and non-traditional sexual orientation should refrain from aggression. Then all the hype and all scandals will die down. He confirmed that every person has the right of choice which sexual life to follow and that is his/her own decision. He added that there is no criminal prosecution of LGBT people and assumed that the whole big outcry was artificially fabricated and there are some western countries with tougher anti-LGBT stance than Russia.

    http://www.newkaliningrad.ru/news/br...shinstvam.html
    Another update. The site Children 404 works fine. The founder won the appeal and did not pay the fine.

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    On Eurovision tonight. The idea to introduce professional judges was to fight with block voting. Instead we have now the combination of incompetence and hard core politics at play. I know the choir: "the Russians see conspiracies everywhere, in fact there are no conspiracies - they are just too evil". Then just the facts.

    The split between the "professional" and the popular votes - the latter in fact Russia won is just ridiculous: 130 vs. 360. So, despite the anti-Russian sentiment which Western politicians and representing them "professional" Eurovision judges profess the general public seem not to be convinced and do not care about politics while voting . This is a good sign that relationships can go back to normal even between Russia and Ukraine. I would not expect anything but 0 "professional" from Ukraine to Russia and vice versa and it was just so. Interesting to see how the people voted.

    Again if it were just about "Russian whining about conspiracies" I am sure nothing would happen. But the "professional" folks showed complete lack of understanding what the audience likes. Poland with just 7 professional votes had the very last place after the first round. But they had the third place in the popular vote with more than 200 votes to propel them from the 26th to the 8th place overall. I guess, there will be some comments in the Polish media tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samkrut@mail.ru View Post
    On Eurovision tonight. The idea to introduce professional judges was to fight with block voting. Instead we have now the combination of incompetence and hard core politics at play. I know the choir: "the Russians see conspiracies everywhere, in fact there are no conspiracies - they are just too evil". Then just the facts.

    The split between the "professional" and the popular votes - the latter in fact Russia won is just ridiculous: 130 vs. 360. So, despite the anti-Russian sentiment which Western politicians and representing them "professional" Eurovision judges profess the general public seem not to be convinced and do not care about politics while voting . This is a good sign that relationships can go back to normal even between Russia and Ukraine. I would not expect anything but 0 "professional" from Ukraine to Russia and vice versa and it was just so. Interesting to see how the people voted.

    Again if it were just about "Russian whining about conspiracies" I am sure nothing would happen. But the "professional" folks showed complete lack of understanding what the audience likes. Poland with just 7 professional votes had the very last place after the first round. But they had the third place in the popular vote with more than 200 votes to propel them from the 26th to the 8th place overall. I guess, there will be some comments in the Polish media tomorrow.

    Judges were last year too, now they just removed somewhat "anonymus" judging. Last year Italy won by public votes and judges throwed them off. Look at this year. Poland almost got last place and 0 points by judges, and then top3 by public votes. Politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HanDomi View Post
    Judges were last year too, now they just removed somewhat "anonymus" judging. Last year Italy won by public votes and judges throwed them off. Look at this year. Poland almost got last place and 0 points by judges, and then top3 by public votes. Politics.
    To be fair, Ukraine had a strong song. But it is not exactly a pop-music contest song. I am convinced that if under the same Russian song was a flag of, say, Sweden it would have won with a big margin - it was just constructed to win.

    And I just found out that Russian folks gave 10 points to Ukraine and Ukrainian folks gave maximum 12 points to Russia (the judges gave 0 both ways). That's a good sign that haters (whom we, alas, have here in GS as well) are just a zealous minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samkrut@mail.ru View Post
    On Eurovision tonight. The idea to introduce professional judges was to fight with block voting. Instead we have now the combination of incompetence and hard core politics at play. I know the choir: "the Russians see conspiracies everywhere, in fact there are no conspiracies - they are just too evil". Then just the facts.

    The split between the "professional" and the popular votes - the latter in fact Russia won is just ridiculous: 130 vs. 360. So, despite the anti-Russian sentiment which Western politicians and representing them "professional" Eurovision judges profess the general public seem not to be convinced and do not care about politics while voting . This is a good sign that relationships can go back to normal even between Russia and Ukraine. I would not expect anything but 0 "professional" from Ukraine to Russia and vice versa and it was just so. Interesting to see how the people voted.

    Again if it were just about "Russian whining about conspiracies" I am sure nothing would happen. But the "professional" folks showed complete lack of understanding what the audience likes. Poland with just 7 professional votes had the very last place after the first round. But they had the third place in the popular vote with more than 200 votes to propel them from the 26th to the 8th place overall. I guess, there will be some comments in the Polish media tomorrow.
    The awarding of the scores was always one of the most entertaining things. It was beyond crappy yesterday. It was insane and also unfair towards f.e. Australia, because the woman thought she must have won and then she didn't. And she didn't even had time to get used to it. Not that I think she should have won, it was a good song, a very good vocal performances (maybe she got so many points from the judges because of that?) but Russia should have won. Like Italy should have won last year. The song contest doesn't need judges, the viewers in front of the TV screens vote for what they like best. It's only natural that countries vote for music styles they're used to.
    Ukraine was good, it was different so I think the combined win can be justified. It's good that Australia didn't win, because the audience obviously liked other songs better. Poland was very entertaining, Austria also wasn't really popular with the judges. I kind of liked Sweden best. And I could have done without Timberlake (although I normally like him). It's not hat Sweden doesn't have any past winners, they didn't need him and the second song he performed was meh.
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    What happened? I just saw this morning few Facebook posts how Russia has not received any points at all or was scored low by juries from many countries, but won people's voting all across Europe with the whooping margin. Simple folks in EU apparently liked Russkie more and called to vouch for her during televoting. Was the the girl from Russia like very very good?
    Who is the winner? Eurovision always been silly political pretend-to-be competition. Why? Russians are upset today?

    I did not talk with my Russian gf this morning yet. I bet she would be moaning about life being unfair, so I guess I just go fishing today.
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    I honestly don't like both Russia's and Ukraine's songs. The first one is too noisy, too busy, and too 'bubble-gum pop', which is not my favorite genre at all (but the performance was A+ and I can actually see why so many people liked it, it's extremely generic song). And the second was extremely pretentious, forgettable and dull in my opinion. That's funny, because they're 1st and 3rd.
    Australia should easily be the winner. I also enjoyed a lot Armenia and France. Jury's vote was way more politically driven than usual, but I don't know why people are so surprised? It's Eurovison. Hello! I only was surprised that so many people actually voted for Russia, knowing all the geo-political mess.
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