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    Quote Originally Posted by LeCygne View Post
    I'm pretty sure Gracie will be attending the opening ceremonies, with Frank's blessing too. She mentioned in an interview that he wanted her to enjoy the Olympics fully and experience everything she can, especially the opening and closing ceremonies. Team men and ladies free aren't until Sunday morning (EST), so they'll have all of Saturday to recover.
    Every skater and coach should decide for themselves whether the skater will march in the Opening Ceremony.
    That said, IIRC, some Vancouver athletes who had competitions within 48 hours of the Opening Ceremony decided to forgo it.

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    They are athletes. Thy wil survive the grueling openign ceremonies - the key is not to get sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gymfan15 View Post
    Gracie left SO EARLY, though; I don't know if that is necessarily a reflection on her participation in the short program as it is a reflection on her desire to be in the country well before the Olympics start. The ladies don't skate until Saturday, so I could see Ashley leaving the same time as D/W (who also skate Saturday) and still doing the short.

    The men and pairs compete the soonest, though, so I would say that Jeremy being in Sochi already is a clear indication that he will be skating the short. Hopefully that means that they'll put Jason in for the long which would make me SUPER happy!
    The real risk with Jason is if he misses the triple axels he really is like that unknown Canadian Liam Firus ??? - great pc wise though not at the level of Chan or Dai but not a lot of jumping power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glam View Post
    They probably have better training conditions at home than in Sochi where there is only a very limited ice time.
    True but what if you skate in the team event and have to wait like 10 days or so for the ladies. With the time diference I am not sure you would want to go home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    True but what if you skate in the team event and have to wait like 10 days or so for the ladies. With the time diference I am not sure you would want to go home.
    Would not surprise me if some Team USA skaters return to Germany during the Games to continue training there while they await their individual disciplines.

    (As I have said elsewhere, USFS originally was planning to use Graz for this purpose -- but at this point, I would say that Germany is looking more probable as the location.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by amc987 View Post
    I'm not totally clear on the substitution rules but if I were the US/ Canada I'd do the following:

    Ladies' SP: Gold; LP: Wagner
    Men's SP: Abbott; LP: Brown
    Dance: Davis/White both programs
    Pairs: Castelli/Shnapir both programs

    I still don't know that I trust Gracie not to bomb on a big occasion in international competition. So far she's done 1 good long program internationally in 2 seasons. I'm not sure that it makes sense to put her up in the LP when her score will definitely count for a medal, despite her strong performances at Nationals.

    Ladies': Osmond both programs
    Men's: SP: Reynolds; LP: Chan
    Dance: Virtue/Moir both programs
    Pairs: SP: Duhamel/ Radford; LP: Moore-Towers/ Moscovitch

    Honestly, I'd probably get Chan to do both programs for Team Canada, but I don't know that that's realistic.
    Canada would be super foolish to let Reynolds skate the short as that is where most damage can occur not only could he lose to the top 5 team male skaters but also lose to individual skates from China, France et al. THe worst he can be in the long is fifth with his lack of practice and competition he could be 9th or 10th realistically

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    The real risk with Jason is if he misses the triple axels he really is like that unknown Canadian Liam Firus ??? - great pc wise though not at the level of Chan or Dai but not a lot of jumping power.
    When was the last time Jason missed BOTH triple Axels? I don't think it's happened since JGPF 2012.

    It goes both ways with the men. Jason is risky because of TES. Jeremy is risky because you don't know which Jeremy will show up.

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    Karne is right - Jason typically misses no more than 1 3A and that is typically a 2 foot problem. The rest of the program is solid and he can take advantage if others mess up on the 4's

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    Quads are also the hardest and riskiest elements and way more risky than brown doing a 3a. Doubles triples downgrades . Just like the individual event wouldn't be surprised if brown won the free skate on spin step goe and hanyu level pcs which he got in teb.

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    Per Twitter:

    Nick McCarvel (NBCOlympics journalist) ‏@NickMcCarvel 8m ago:
    "U.S. #figureskating team to be announced for team event Weds. 10am #Sochi2014 local time. Line-up might not be as expected, source tells me"

    .........
    Federation mind games?

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    Hope that doesn't mean Jason is out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsaneLily87 View Post
    Hope that doesn't mean Jason is out!
    Me too. Jeremy isn't exactly the steadiest jumper out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    When was the last time Jason missed BOTH triple Axels? I don't think it's happened since JGPF 2012.

    It goes both ways with the men. Jason is risky because of TES. Jeremy is risky because you don't know which Jeremy will show up.
    My recollection may be wrong but at ntionals he missed two of them (two footed or whatever)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    My recollection may be wrong but at ntionals he missed two of them (two footed or whatever)
    No. He two-footed one in the FS. He was 2/3 at Nationals.

    ETA: Time to whip out the Jason Brown Triple Axel boiler plate; so glad I did this research, LOL:

    Jason started trying the the 3A at his second JGP event in Turkey. However it wasn't until Junior Worlds when he clearly had the jump.


    Prior to Junior Worlds:
    JGP Istanbul 2012
    SP: 3A<< ; -1.43 GOE
    FS: 3A< ; -3.00 GOE

    JGP Final 2012
    SP: 3A; -0.71 GOE
    FS: Waxeled. (zero points)

    U.S. Nationals 2013
    SP: 3A< -3.00 GOE (fall)
    FS: 3A-3T< -1.14 GOE; 3A<< (fall); -1.50

    Post Junior Worlds

    Junior Worlds 2013
    SP: 3A +0.86
    FS: 3A-2T +0.14; 3A +1.00

    Nebelhorn Trophy
    SP: 3A + 0.86
    FS: 3A+3T +0.57; 3A<< -1.50

    Skate America
    SP: 3A +1.14
    FS: 3A<< -1.50 (fall); 3A-1T -2.14

    Trophee Eric Bompard
    SP: 3A +1.14
    FS: 3A-2T -0.14; 1A

    U.S. Nationals
    SP: 3A +0.29
    FS: 3A-3T +1.43; 3A< -1.00


    Since U.S. Nationals he has made 3 triple axel attempts at each competition. Since Junior Worlds, Jason has been 5/5 in getting the 3A with +GOE in the short program.

    The problem with his 3A has been with the free skate, and more specifically the second 3A in the program. He is 4/5 with the opening 3A combo (and 3/5 for getting +GOE) but he is only 2/5 for the second 3A attempt (and just 1/5 for positive GOE).

    Since Junior Worlds: Jason got the jump ratified (no UR, no pop) 11 out of 15 attempts (73 percent). He only popped the jump once out of 15 (7 percent) and only fell once (7 percent).

    He does tend to two-foot the jump when he messes up, as a result his +GOE 3A rate is much lower he got +GOE 9 out of 15 attempts (60 percent).

    The biggest hurdle with his 3A is specifically the second 3A in his program. When you take out the second 3A attempt in the FS out of the statistics, his ratification rate is 90 percent and his +GOE rate is 80 percent. He also messed up that second attempt (turnout) when I watched him practice at Nationals, which tells me it's a mental thing. What also convinces me that it's a mental thing is that there when I watch him practice the jump , I'd say he was about 95 percent (which matches reports from other practices).
    So officially he attempted 2 3A in this FS at 2013 Nationals. The last time he missed both his axels, i.e. if you want to define it as any 3A that got -GOE was Trophee Eric Bompard. But seriously, that is an extreme definition to me and judges still give 3A even with -GOE as long as it's ratified and I'll take it a step further and say landed (no falls). So by that definition, U.S. Nationals 2013 (both were < or <<).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRK View Post
    Oh, I hope it is so! For no other reason than that the world needs to see Jason't Riverdance twice... And if that is not a good reason, than I don't know what is!
    For exactly this! I know people who normally don't give a hoot about Figure Skating but they love Jason Browns Riverdance. He is going to be a star!

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