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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabel_O'Reilly View Post
    I just found a neat video on Youtube:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMuf1MAPHko

    What does everyone think of each 3Lutz-3Toe?
    Yuna's is bigger. Technique on the second jump not as good. She tends to UR quite a bit these days (will be interesting to see if they call her on it in Sochi, both of hers at KOR Nationals were < ) because she takes off way too early on the toe loop, causing it to require more rotation than it should need to get around.

    Julia has a Flutz 65% of the time, but it's not severe. Her jumps are a lot more controlled than Yuna Kim's.

    If I had to pick, I'd pick Lipnitskaya's. Yuna's combo has two redeeming aspects: Size and the Take-Off Edge on the Lutz.

    However, Lipnitskaya's jumps are incredible because of the amount of control she has on her landings, the fact that she lands going straight backwards (not even a chance to question her rotation), and the position she can get on her landings - and she HOLDS those landing positions a lot better than Kim. Additionally, her technique on the back half of her combination is textbook, which is why she can throw a toe loop onto almost anything (or add it back in later, easily, if she misses it early on like at Europeans).

    From a GOE standpoint, Yuna's would score higher as long as the judge didn't spot a UR when it happens because the take-off issues on her 3T back end aren't anything most judges would penalize as long as the jump was clean.

    Sotnikova is a better overall jump than both of them, and has all triples. She has Yuna's size and Lipnitskaya's rotation and landing finesse.

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    Kim skates like a woman; Julia skates like a teenager. Kim has power and the right edge; mind you Julia has a more difficult entry and maybe thejudges should mark down Kim or woheover for the second triple. But there is no question Kim will win gold and julia is lucky if she wins a bronze. I think the odds are favouring Kostner for bronze - she usually ahs one good skate so olympics is her chance to reign. Still I Mao is ahuge question; I honestly don't see it happening though she has too many problems with her jumps and at this point it would be a bit of luck. I know she tried but with her problems with the lutz, triple axel, adding loops it would be a bit of one shot wonder if she corrected it all. Yes, a lot of skaters or most have achilles heal problems - one or two jumps but mao has been trying to fix them for years and has not been consistently clean with the big jumps lutz or axel or adding loops. At this point she is best to move on as it seems doubtful she will become consistent at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nater View Post
    Yuna's is bigger. Technique on the second jump not as good. She tends to UR quite a bit these days (will be interesting to see if they call her on it in Sochi, both of hers at KOR Nationals were < ) because she takes off way too early on the toe loop, causing it to require more rotation than it should need to get around.

    Julia has a Flutz 65% of the time, but it's not severe. Her jumps are a lot more controlled than Yuna Kim's.

    If I had to pick, I'd pick Lipnitskaya's. Yuna's combo has two redeeming aspects: Size and the Take-Off Edge on the Lutz.

    However, Lipnitskaya's jumps are incredible because of the amount of control she has on her landings, the fact that she lands going straight backwards (not even a chance to question her rotation), and the position she can get on her landings - and she HOLDS those landing positions a lot better than Kim. Additionally, her technique on the back half of her combination is textbook, which is why she can throw a toe loop onto almost anything (or add it back in later, easily, if she misses it early on like at Europeans).

    From a GOE standpoint, Yuna's would score higher as long as the judge didn't spot a UR when it happens because the take-off issues on her 3T back end aren't anything most judges would penalize as long as the jump was clean.

    Sotnikova is a better overall jump than both of them, and has all triples. She has Yuna's size and Lipnitskaya's rotation and landing finesse.
    I appreciate your analysis, critiquing each one fairly, instead of simply saying one is better. I get tired of people just saying straight out that one skater is better than one another. There is so much to marvel at with each skater and while some of it you can straight out compare objectively, much more of skating is ultimately subjective to each person watching it. That's why I never say Julia is the the best skater or say that any other skater is not as good because, while objectively I know that's not true, subjectively she will always be the best to me. Primarily because intellectually the technical arsenal she has is extraordinary and the interpretation or emotional response she draws from me is incredible.

    A competition should be judged solely on what the skater achieves on that skate alone, not what they have done before. It is the judges job to take the program and reduce it to mere numbers, but of course there is little bit of room for their personal opinion in GOE and in program components. Having the numbers of judges they do from all different countries results in a fair range of numbers for each skater, I would hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nater View Post
    Sotnikova is a better overall jump than both of them, and has all triples. She has Yuna's size and Lipnitskaya's rotation and landing finesse.
    Although Adelina is my very favorite skater, I have to say that I disagree that her landing finesse is better than Yuna's. She does jump well in her short and the first half of her long, but when she gets tired late in her LP she has a wide swinging free leg and it makes the landing shaky.

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    Kim also has much prettier looking jumps. I dont like the way any of Sotnikova's toe jumps look, even if the triple toe technique isnt wrong in anyway it still looks a bit ugly, she definitely flutzes, and there is something off about her flip technique although I am not sure how to categorize it quite. Actually her flip technique has improved alot since last year I find come to think of it, and looks much better now, which is probably why it has also become alot more consistent jump for her than it was last year. I also dont like how she lands many of her jumps with that swinging free leg, not Butyrskaya-like or anything but still noticeable compared to Yu Na; although like daisy said it is largely when she gets tired she starts doing that more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nater View Post
    Yuna's is bigger. Technique on the second jump not as good. She tends to UR quite a bit these days (will be interesting to see if they call her on it in Sochi, both of hers at KOR Nationals were < ) because she takes off way too early on the toe loop, causing it to require more rotation than it should need to get around.

    Julia has a Flutz 65% of the time, but it's not severe. Her jumps are a lot more controlled than Yuna Kim's.

    If I had to pick, I'd pick Lipnitskaya's. Yuna's combo has two redeeming aspects: Size and the Take-Off Edge on the Lutz.

    However, Lipnitskaya's jumps are incredible because of the amount of control she has on her landings, the fact that she lands going straight backwards (not even a chance to question her rotation), and the position she can get on her landings - and she HOLDS those landing positions a lot better than Kim. Additionally, her technique on the back half of her combination is textbook, which is why she can throw a toe loop onto almost anything (or add it back in later, easily, if she misses it early on like at Europeans).

    From a GOE standpoint, Yuna's would score higher as long as the judge didn't spot a UR when it happens because the take-off issues on her 3T back end aren't anything most judges would penalize as long as the jump was clean.

    Sotnikova is a better overall jump than both of them, and has all triples. She has Yuna's size and Lipnitskaya's rotation and landing finesse.
    You're blind. Her 3-3 was enough to ratified. Julia's 3-3 is no where near YuNa's.

    YuNa's 3-3 got the delay in rotation, height and distance, straight back on landing, flow in the landing, effortless throughout.

    You said Gracie's 3-3 is better than YuNa's in every aspect and because of her 3 toe loop.

    Here are the images of Gracie's 3T on 3-3. http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800.../822/0jhiz.jpg

    She takes off her triple toe with full blade not toe and also very pre-rotated. You see it? I don't know you are a skater or what but you're sooooooooo wrong.

    and also you said YuNa is not the technical phenom, at best, slightly above average. Actually, Ted barton who made current judging system said that Technically, Yuna is the greatest of all time.

    I have a question to you. If YuNa is not technical phenom among Ladies, Who do you think is the phenom? Asada, Lipnitskaya, Gold? Its really funny that a skater who's technically slightly above average is now reigning World & Olympic Champ with world record. Your opinion is so ridiculous and non-sense.
    Keep whining and complaining about YuNa's jumps until she retains her title at Sochi.
    you will be so upset if YuNa's 3-3 and other jumps get credit and highest GOE. :(

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    I think Abbott has a shot at silver and maybe at Gold if he skates clean.
    Gracie Gold could get a silver medal if she skates as she did at Nationals, and if Yu-na and Mao both falter, she could win gold.
    I don't think Fernandez has any shot at gold. His PCS are just not up to snuff and programs are weak.
    For Gold, I think the favorites are Chan, Hanyu, and Takahashi.

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    http://www.insidethegames.biz/blogs/...-2014For Robin Cousins, Olympic figure skating gold medalist in 1980, the personality he thinks will captivate the TV viewers will be the defending  women's champion Yuna Kim, of South Korea. "She is the grand dame of skating, a beautiful woman on and off the ice. She  has such a graceful, classic style."There are some other excellent skaters, notably the Russians, but they are mainly kids. This contest is a woman versus girls and I take the woman  to win and become the world's skating sweetheart."


    Interview with Katarina Witt, “Yuna has 100% chance to win gold” Katarina Witt interviewed on Yuna that unless something extraordinary has happened, Yuna will be the third gold medalist who wins two golds. She said Yuna is the perfect sakter, has the perfect body for skating and is artistic on ice. Ms. witt was sure Yuna will fly on ice and wished Yuna luck. *Source: All That Yuna http://yunakimfan.com/yunaverse/topi...tand-4/page/36

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuki90 View Post
    http://www.insidethegames.biz/blogs/...-2014For Robin Cousins, Olympic figure skating gold medalist in 1980, the personality he thinks will captivate the TV viewers will be the defending  women's champion Yuna Kim, of South Korea. "She is the grand dame of skating, a beautiful woman on and off the ice. She  has such a graceful, classic style."There are some other excellent skaters, notably the Russians, but they are mainly kids. This contest is a woman versus girls and I take the woman  to win and become the world's skating sweetheart."


    Interview with Katarina Witt, “Yuna has 100% chance to win gold” Katarina Witt interviewed on Yuna that unless something extraordinary has happened, Yuna will be the third gold medalist who wins two golds. She said Yuna is the perfect sakter, has the perfect body for skating and is artistic on ice. Ms. witt was sure Yuna will fly on ice and wished Yuna luck. *Source: All That Yuna http://yunakimfan.com/yunaverse/topi...tand-4/page/36

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuki90 View Post
    http://www.insidethegames.biz/blogs/...-2014For Robin Cousins, Olympic figure skating gold medalist in 1980, the personality he thinks will captivate the TV viewers will be the defending  women's champion Yuna Kim, of South Korea. "She is the grand dame of skating, a beautiful woman on and off the ice. She  has such a graceful, classic style."There are some other excellent skaters, notably the Russians, but they are mainly kids. This contest is a woman versus girls and I take the woman  to win and become the world's skating sweetheart."


    Interview with Katarina Witt, “Yuna has 100% chance to win gold” Katarina Witt interviewed on Yuna that unless something extraordinary has happened, Yuna will be the third gold medalist who wins two golds. She said Yuna is the perfect sakter, has the perfect body for skating and is artistic on ice. Ms. witt was sure Yuna will fly on ice and wished Yuna luck. *Source: All That Yuna http://yunakimfan.com/yunaverse/topi...tand-4/page/36
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    So we have a new round of "Yuna is perfect and capable of everything and will win anyway" again because one poster criticized one aspect of her 3-3? Yawn.
    I want Liza back in the game. When she was really on, I preferred her 3Lz-3T to all of Yunas, Gracies and Julias.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nater
    Sotnikova is a better overall jump than both of them, and has all triples. She has Yuna's size and Lipnitskaya's rotation and landing finesse.
    Sotnikova doesn't have the 3Lz-3T though. Honestly, I prefer her going for the 3Lz-3Lo, simply because I love that combination and we have enough 3-3Ts combinations around anyway (and she got one ratified!!!). Then again, when she had trouble with the 3Lz-3T last season, she struggled with the 2A-3T too. And look at that combination now - huge, secure, nicely rotated. She obviously worked on that and it improved big time. Maybe she'll go back to the 3Lz-3T somewhere in the future too, as she seems to still practice it.

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    I think my issue with Julia's and Liza's 3-3 combos is that they look very methodical... especially Julia's "windup" into her 3T... it looks like they're doing an element, whereas Kim flies "through" her combo and gives it wow factor that makes it look like a highlight to open the program. I always get the sense that Julia or Liza is like "here's my first combo", whereas Kim is like "you're about to watch an amazing program".

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