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It seems many of you are conspiring to take away Hanyu's GPF title.
SkateFiguring said:It seems many of you are conspiring to take away Hanyu's GPF title.
Not even close. The hardest penalty proposed here is 0 points for the element the skater fell on. Hanyu received 7.5 points for his 4S. take those ponts away, and his overall score is 285.75. Still over 5 points ahead of Chan overall.
How about a 1 point deduction and no points for the attempted element.
It still gets on my nerves that skaters will attempt unreliable quads because they can still rack up points even if they fall on it.
I don't think it is an expectation of perfection that is the difference here. Male skaters perform in a free skate for 4:30 +/- 10 seconds and are limited to eight jumping passes. Saturday night, LeBron James played for over 39 minutes and took 22 shots. With defenders trying to stop him. It isn't exactly comparable. The comparison would be what percentage can LeBron get on the court alone in four and half minutes. I guarantee you it would be better than the 59% he shot Saturday night.
And, btw, punters miss field goals because they are punters and punts are different than field goals.
Suppose a greater penalty would be extracted for a second fall?
Or the second half bonus be omitted for a fall.
The issue is not insulting the general publics sensibilities. If someone falls twice and bests the skater who fell one once, there must be a clear easily understood and demonstrable reason.
The system can be kept simple or made painfully complex. Simple is generally better
That's because quads have been overvalued in response to much fewer skaters attempting them and Lysacek's 'controversial' Olympics win.
What nobody seemed to understand at the time was that IJS meant skaters had to start paying attention to steps, spins and program construction as a whole, for the first time ever. And this obviously affected their jumps. With time, we probably would have seen more quad attempts.
I could still see arguments to make quads more worth of attempting but I think ISU has gone too far and increased the values too much.
So the issue here isn't the fall deduction. It's quads being worth way too many points.